Discussion:
Hotpoint cooker 'repair'
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 12:18:32 UTC
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Third visit from the official repairers.

This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.

Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Ophelia
2013-11-01 12:22:40 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement), and
one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors, as
windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 12:36:39 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
Ophelia
2013-11-01 12:36:34 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has for
me in the past.
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 12:51:50 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has
for me in the past.
Four years old this month. I've already filed a formal complaint, and
requested that it be replaced - it is a 'repair or replace' contract.
Ophelia
2013-11-01 12:56:30 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has
for me in the past.
Four years old this month. I've already filed a formal complaint, and
requested that it be replaced - it is a 'repair or replace' contract.
Well it that case it is damned cheek keeping your waiting for a working
cooker! You say you filed a complaint? I would send it to the CEO.
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Martin
2013-11-01 13:07:06 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:56:30 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has
for me in the past.
Four years old this month. I've already filed a formal complaint, and
requested that it be replaced - it is a 'repair or replace' contract.
Well it that case it is damned cheek keeping your waiting for a working
cooker! You say you filed a complaint? I would send it to the CEO.
I'd contact trading standards and/or try to get a refund via the small
claims court. It sounds as if it is not fit for purpose.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
Ophelia
2013-11-01 13:09:01 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:56:30 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second
replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has
for me in the past.
Four years old this month. I've already filed a formal complaint, and
requested that it be replaced - it is a 'repair or replace' contract.
Well it that case it is damned cheek keeping your waiting for a working
cooker! You say you filed a complaint? I would send it to the CEO.
I'd contact trading standards and/or try to get a refund via the small
claims court. It sounds as if it is not fit for purpose.
I would do it all.
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Martin
2013-11-01 13:14:50 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:09:01 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by Martin
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:56:30 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second
replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!), could
take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another repair,
which will once again be postponed...
How old is it? A letter to the CEO can often work wonders ... or it has
for me in the past.
Four years old this month. I've already filed a formal complaint, and
requested that it be replaced - it is a 'repair or replace' contract.
Well it that case it is damned cheek keeping your waiting for a working
cooker! You say you filed a complaint? I would send it to the CEO.
I'd contact trading standards and/or try to get a refund via the small
claims court. It sounds as if it is not fit for purpose.
I would do it all.
and contact Watchdog.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-01 17:55:06 UTC
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Post by Martin
I'd contact trading standards and/or try to get a refund via the small
claims court. It sounds as if it is not fit for purpose.
Debatable - a cooker is for cooking...

D&RFC
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Martin
2013-11-01 12:58:16 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 12:36:39 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
Is the power supply defective?

Back in the dark ages somebody replaced and destroyed almost every
board in a Honeywell mini computer before he thought to check the
power supply.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 13:25:52 UTC
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Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Post by Martin
Back in the dark ages somebody replaced and destroyed almost every
board in a Honeywell mini computer before he thought to check the
power supply.
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.

We shall see.
Martin
2013-11-01 13:50:53 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:25:52 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Post by Martin
Back in the dark ages somebody replaced and destroyed almost every
board in a Honeywell mini computer before he thought to check the
power supply.
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.
without threatening to break his legs :-)
Post by S Viemeister
We shall see.
Good luck! Fingers crossed.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
Ophelia
2013-11-01 13:51:29 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:25:52 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Post by Martin
Back in the dark ages somebody replaced and destroyed almost every
board in a Honeywell mini computer before he thought to check the
power supply.
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.
without threatening to break his legs :-)
Post by S Viemeister
We shall see.
Good luck! Fingers crossed.
Aye from me too!!!! Be sure to keep us up to speed!
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 14:32:45 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:25:52 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.
without threatening to break his legs :-)
The puir wee mannie was really upset every time a part blew up. I
thought sympathy, biscuits, and a cup of tea would work better.
Post by Martin
Good luck! Fingers crossed.
I've just had a call from him - the company have agreed to a
replacement, but I have no idea how that will be handled, since this
model has been discontinued. I'd rather they issue vouchers so I can buy
something not made by them.

It's Friday, so I doubt I'll be hearing from them before Wednesday.
Janet
2013-11-01 14:59:42 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@lastname.oc.ku
says...
Post by S Viemeister
I've just had a call from him - the company have agreed to a
replacement, but I have no idea how that will be handled, since this
model has been discontinued. I'd rather they issue vouchers so I can buy
something not made by them.
If you suggest you'd prefer a refund they might heave a sigh of relief
and pay up to get an instant result for both sides.


Janet
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 15:11:49 UTC
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Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
I've just had a call from him - the company have agreed to a
replacement, but I have no idea how that will be handled, since this
model has been discontinued. I'd rather they issue vouchers so I can buy
something not made by them.
If you suggest you'd prefer a refund they might heave a sigh of relief
and pay up to get an instant result for both sides.
That would involve common sense on their part.
Ophelia
2013-11-01 15:33:36 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:25:52 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.
without threatening to break his legs :-)
The puir wee mannie was really upset every time a part blew up. I thought
sympathy, biscuits, and a cup of tea would work better.
Post by Martin
Good luck! Fingers crossed.
I've just had a call from him - the company have agreed to a replacement,
but I have no idea how that will be handled, since this model has been
discontinued. I'd rather they issue vouchers so I can buy something not
made by them.
It's Friday, so I doubt I'll be hearing from them before Wednesday.
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 17:10:20 UTC
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Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
Martin
2013-11-01 17:15:50 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
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S Viemeister
2013-11-01 19:16:43 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
I have. Don't remember the brand, though. It was years ago.
Martin
2013-11-01 22:09:34 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:16:43 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
I have. Don't remember the brand, though. It was years ago.
We had a freezer that I bought second hand, we kept it in a damp
garage. The outside of the freezer slowly rusted away, but the freezer
compartment was still very cold.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-02 01:03:34 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:16:43 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
I have. Don't remember the brand, though. It was years ago.
We had a freezer that I bought second hand, we kept it in a damp
garage. The outside of the freezer slowly rusted away, but the freezer
compartment was still very cold.
I had a little thermosyphon Electrolux fridge which developed a leak and
inundated the kitching with a monya.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-02 20:28:45 UTC
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Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
I have.
MIL's turned into a heater on Christmas eve morning, so she made
careful notes of the rising temperature but told nobody and took no
action. All food ruined for xmas. Luckily I was cooking the goose at
my house so had serviceable main course but little else.

I drank a bottle of warm gin over Xmas day. Not happy bunny.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-02 09:55:58 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
We had a Hotpoint fridge/freezer compressor fail after about 10 years.
The estimated repair cost was more than getting a replacement. We got
a Botch Classixx for about £600 but that failed about a hour after it
was installed. We got the money back and bought a £250 Hotpoint.

Steve
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Martin
2013-11-02 10:00:11 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:55:58 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
We had a Hotpoint fridge/freezer compressor fail after about 10 years.
The estimated repair cost was more than getting a replacement. We got
a Botch Classixx for about £600 but that failed about a hour after it
was installed. We got the money back and bought a £250 Hotpoint.
We have Bosch and Miele deep freezers. The Bosch is about 15 years old
and the Miele is about 30 years old.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-02 11:21:47 UTC
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Post by Martin
We have Bosch and Miele deep freezers. The Bosch is about 15 years old
and the Miele is about 30 years old.
I have two pre-loved freezers and a pre-loved Bosch fridge, and all are
working fine. One of the freezers is t least 20 years old.
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Ophelia
2013-11-02 10:32:43 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:10:20 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Good luck with not having to buy another Hotpoint:( Yet I find their
fridges are fine!
Most of their stuff _was_ fine. The new stuff...
I have an undercounter pair of fridge and freezer from them as well as a
dishwasher. I bought the freezer in early 1998, the other appliances not
long after. So far, they've been fine (she says, knocking wood).
We've never had a fridge or freezer go wrong.
We had a Hotpoint fridge/freezer compressor fail after about 10 years.
The estimated repair cost was more than getting a replacement. We got
a Botch Classixx for about £600 but that failed about a hour after it
was installed. We got the money back and bought a £250 Hotpoint.
We just bought a new Hotpoint fridge. After about 10yrs too, the
thermostat died so i was having to defrost it every week. This was a larder
fridge which doesn't freeze up. We got the same (but of course newest)
model
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Martin
2013-11-01 15:41:41 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:32:45 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:25:52 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Tea and biscuits may have helped my case - the repairman seems inclined
to report that the unit is not repairable.
without threatening to break his legs :-)
The puir wee mannie was really upset every time a part blew up. I
thought sympathy, biscuits, and a cup of tea would work better.
Post by Martin
Good luck! Fingers crossed.
I've just had a call from him - the company have agreed to a
replacement, but I have no idea how that will be handled, since this
model has been discontinued. I'd rather they issue vouchers so I can buy
something not made by them.
It's Friday, so I doubt I'll be hearing from them before Wednesday.
We've just had to employ a plumber to clean all the crap out of our
plumbing that was the result of the water company replacing the water
mains using the world's worst contractor.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 17:11:50 UTC
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Post by Martin
We've just had to employ a plumber to clean all the crap out of our
plumbing that was the result of the water company replacing the water
mains using the world's worst contractor.
Ick.
We used to get bits of peat clogging up the shower head, but the new
water supply is lovely.
Martin
2013-11-01 17:17:37 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:50 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
We've just had to employ a plumber to clean all the crap out of our
plumbing that was the result of the water company replacing the water
mains using the world's worst contractor.
Ick.
We used to get bits of peat clogging up the shower head, but the new
water supply is lovely.
In our case it is sand and grit.
I'm not convinced that they will ever finish.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
Janet
2013-11-01 14:40:07 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@lastname.oc.ku
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(

A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).

Janet
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 15:14:22 UTC
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Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(
A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).
Other electronic gizmos (tv, printer, etc) seem unaffected, though.
I think it is/was just a crap piece of equipment.
Martin
2013-11-01 15:43:23 UTC
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Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(
A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).
I meant the power supply in the oven that provides DC to the PCB, but
of course it could be a mains supply problem too.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
Ophelia
2013-11-01 15:57:31 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(
A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).
I meant the power supply in the oven that provides DC to the PCB, but
of course it could be a mains supply problem too.
Sheila says everything else is working normally and in any case, has been
checked.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-02 01:22:04 UTC
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Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(
A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).
Aye - they are required to, by law.

Prunts' house was supplied by overhead line and was on the end of a spur.

When there was welding going on at the local gridge and even further up
the line, milking was in progress, the lights hfrq to glow dull orange.

I asked my local friendly electrician and he came and put a meter over
the supply and pronounced it below the legal voltage.

Advice followed, and accordingly, I moaned at the supplier. An engineer
came round and inspected the arrangement, then installed a voltgraph.

Following my (local) instructions, as soon as the voltage drooped to the
orange light stage I looked at the meter and if it was anywhere near the
figure advised (locally), I switched on the immersion heater, all rings
on the cooker, the oven, etc, and the trough on the voltgraph plummeted.

At the end of a weak the engineer returned (cheerfully), but when he saw
the recording his face went 50 shades of grey. Hoovering around 130 v,
he said something *would* be done...

ASAP (and the wbo was done pretty sharpish) an arj transformer were
installificated in the village, and all was well.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
RustyHinge
2013-11-02 01:27:41 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
says...
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Is the power supply defective?
I think that was checked.
Power drops and surges are quite common in rural Scotland :-(
A 24 hour continual check, can show if your area supply is experiencing
dips and power surges which could account for your equipment getting
fried. IME the power supplier will arrange this if pressed hard enough
(and upgrade their lines if they find a problem).
Aye - they are required to, by law.
Oops! Posted the above, thinking I was still in The Shed. Apologies to
readers here. I think the gist of the tale is understandable...
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-02 20:21:01 UTC
Permalink
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
--
Mike... . . . .
S Viemeister
2013-11-03 11:36:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
Ophelia
2013-11-03 11:42:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
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Martin
2013-11-03 12:16:42 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Ophelia
2013-11-03 12:30:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
sacha
2013-11-03 19:08:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ophelia
Post by Martin
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
--
Sacha
Ophelia
2013-11-03 19:11:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by sacha
Post by Ophelia
Post by Martin
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
Not being au fait with the legal system, I can only hope!
--
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Martin
2013-11-03 21:16:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by sacha
Post by Ophelia
Post by Martin
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
:-)
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Jane Gillett
2013-11-04 12:13:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by sacha
Post by Ophelia
Post by Martin
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 11:42:44 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
On further checking, it appears that another component has gone up in
smoke - the digital display and its PCB. Not in stock (of course!),
could take a week to get in. Then it'll take forever to arrange another
repair, which will once again be postponed...
this is not fit for purpose surely? Time to ask for money back with
threat of small claims court?
Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, I was relying on the 'repair or replace'
contract. The cooker is only just four years old this month.
You have hefty evidence to submit with that contract.
I've read that most big companies don't show up for small court
claims.
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
:-)
That's ok as long as they pay up. There have been programmes on tv about
companies who've had judgements against them but still not produced any
money. It seems that the court action just says that they are legally
liable; they don't actually enforce payment and unless the ower pays then
you are still stuck with further litigation to get what they owe you.
Jane
--
Jane Gillett : ***@higherstert.co.uk : Totnes, Devon.
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:06:06 UTC
Permalink
Following a post by sacha
Post by sacha
Post by Ophelia
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
the legal system is weird, our defendant didn't show up and kept
delaying things and nothing happened until Carol said something from
our law book which seemed to jump start things into action and he sent
in bailiff, of course they immediately paid up then. Nothing about it
seemed logical or common sense.
--
Mike... . . . .
Ophelia
2013-11-04 13:13:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by sacha
Post by sacha
Post by Ophelia
That is ok so long as judgment goes against them.
Wouldn't it do so, by default?
the legal system is weird, our defendant didn't show up and kept
delaying things and nothing happened until Carol said something from
our law book which seemed to jump start things into action and he sent
in bailiff, of course they immediately paid up then. Nothing about it
seemed logical or common sense.
So what were the magic words?
--
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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:43:19 UTC
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Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
Nothing about it
Post by Mike.. . . .
seemed logical or common sense.
So what were the magic words?
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
--
Mike... . . . .
Ophelia
2013-11-04 14:00:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
Nothing about it
Post by Mike.. . . .
seemed logical or common sense.
So what were the magic words?
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
Are you not allowed to say or have you forgotten?

These things would be very useful to know:)
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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 14:07:40 UTC
Permalink
Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
Are you not allowed to say or have you forgotten?
forgotten
Post by Ophelia
These things would be very useful to know:)
probably different in Scottish law
--
Mike... . . . .
Ophelia
2013-11-04 14:12:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
Are you not allowed to say or have you forgotten?
forgotten
Post by Ophelia
These things would be very useful to know:)
probably different in Scottish law
Very likely.
--
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S Viemeister
2013-11-04 17:06:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
Are you not allowed to say or have you forgotten?
forgotten
Post by Ophelia
These things would be very useful to know:)
probably different in Scottish law
Bought from a company which specifies English law in its T&C.

May be a moot point, though.
I've agreed to a replacement, est delivery date is 12 November, but
still to be confirmed.
Ophelia
2013-11-04 17:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Ophelia
Post by Ophelia
Post by Mike.. . . .
something about requesting the bailiff, but not in those words.
Are you not allowed to say or have you forgotten?
forgotten
Post by Ophelia
These things would be very useful to know:)
probably different in Scottish law
Bought from a company which specifies English law in its T&C.
May be a moot point, though.
I've agreed to a replacement, est delivery date is 12 November, but still
to be confirmed.
Fingers crossed:)) Good luck:)
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Martin
2013-11-01 12:56:03 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:22:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement), and
one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors, as
windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
Very dear, unless it is under guarantee.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 13:27:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement), and
one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors, as
windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
Very dear, unless it is under guarantee.
Repair or replace contract with D&G.
Martin
2013-11-01 13:51:50 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:27:03 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Post by Ophelia
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement), and
one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors, as
windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Oh dear:(((
Very dear, unless it is under guarantee.
Repair or replace contract with D&G.
Very wise, but do you really want another Hotpoint? :-)
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 14:33:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
Post by S Viemeister
Repair or replace contract with D&G.
Very wise, but do you really want another Hotpoint? :-)
No!!!!
Martin
2013-11-01 15:39:28 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:33:50 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Post by S Viemeister
Repair or replace contract with D&G.
Very wise, but do you really want another Hotpoint? :-)
No!!!!
Call it male intuition if you like, but I guessed.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 17:13:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
Post by S Viemeister
Repair or replace contract with D&G.
Very wise, but do you really want another Hotpoint? :-)
No!!!!
Call it male intuition if you like, but I guessed.
:)
Martin
2013-11-01 12:55:05 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 12:18:32 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Hopeless!
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Sacha
2013-11-01 16:02:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Time to uproot the cooker and take it to the CEO's doorstep. That's
ridiculous!
--
Sacha
South Devon
Martin
2013-11-01 16:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sacha
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Time to uproot the cooker and take it to the CEO's doorstep. That's
ridiculous!
Which tropical island?
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 17:14:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Time to uproot the cooker and take it to the CEO's doorstep. That's
ridiculous!
I'm now waiting to hear whether they'll simply give me cash or vouchers,
or insist on replacing with one of their crappy cookers.
Martin
2013-11-01 17:19:04 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:14:40 +0000, S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Time to uproot the cooker and take it to the CEO's doorstep. That's
ridiculous!
I'm now waiting to hear whether they'll simply give me cash or vouchers,
or insist on replacing with one of their crappy cookers.
They would be out of their minds not to give you cash, but of course
it costs them less initially to give you another cooker.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 19:22:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
They would be out of their minds not to give you cash, but of course
it costs them less initially to give you another cooker.
It was stupid of them to continue with the 'repairs' as long as they
did. I asked the repairman how long it took him to get here - he said it
was just over three hours. Six hour return trip times three, plus the
cost of all the incinerated parts, and all the wasted time at call
centres and bookkeeping departments.

Yes, they're out of their minds.
RustyHinge
2013-11-02 11:26:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
They would be out of their minds not to give you cash, but of course
it costs them less initially to give you another cooker.
The effective word being 'initially' - they might have better luck with
replacements/repairs if they refunded or replaced with another make.
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
sacha
2013-11-01 17:27:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great
outdoors, as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried
components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Time to uproot the cooker and take it to the CEO's doorstep. That's
ridiculous!
I'm now waiting to hear whether they'll simply give me cash or
vouchers, or insist on replacing with one of their crappy cookers.
If you can - depending on any original agreement there may be - refuse
and say you want to be able to buy the machine of your choice at the
price you paid for this one, with you adding a little more if you want
to upgrade to AEG for example. And I would certainly let them know
that you're a member of a cookery group or three, all of whom discuss
their kitchen equipment from time to time. Our dishwasher that caught
fire was Hotpoint and it was instantly replaced by another, without any
argument whatsoever. BUT the control panel was made by a different
company, or so we were told. In your shoes I would lean heavily on
fear of fire, your insurance company (who you could well invoke in this
situation) and the appalling wear and tear this is having on your life
in general. The situation is ridiculously stressful when you have to
wonder what's going to go 'bang' next, can't cook properly, live in
fear of equipment catching fire or shorting the whole of the house
electrics, and have to open windows to be rid of toxic fumes. With
every respect, Sheila and I do mean that because I admire your
restraint - I think you've been too patient for too long, so they're
just stringing you along. When a friend of mine bought a rogue car
that the manufacturers wouldn't replace, he went to the showroom he'd
bought it from and walked up and down with a placard saying 'Don't buy
****** they're rubbish". They rushed out and told him he couldn't do
that and he said 'watch me'. After a couple of hours he was promised
and subsequently got, his new car and it was perfect. The first was a
Friday car, you've got a Friday cooker.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 19:29:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by sacha
Post by S Viemeister
I'm now waiting to hear whether they'll simply give me cash or
vouchers, or insist on replacing with one of their crappy cookers.
If you can - depending on any original agreement there may be - refuse
and say you want to be able to buy the machine of your choice at the
price you paid for this one, with you adding a little more if you want
to upgrade to AEG for example. And I would certainly let them know that
you're a member of a cookery group or three, all of whom discuss their
kitchen equipment from time to time. Our dishwasher that caught fire was
Hotpoint and it was instantly replaced by another, without any argument
whatsoever. BUT the control panel was made by a different company, or so
we were told. In your shoes I would lean heavily on fear of fire, your
insurance company (who you could well invoke in this situation) and the
appalling wear and tear this is having on your life in general. The
situation is ridiculously stressful when you have to wonder what's going
to go 'bang' next, can't cook properly, live in fear of equipment
catching fire or shorting the whole of the house electrics, and have to
open windows to be rid of toxic fumes. With every respect, Sheila and I
do mean that because I admire your restraint - I think you've been too
patient for too long, so they're just stringing you along. When a friend
of mine bought a rogue car that the manufacturers wouldn't replace, he
went to the showroom he'd bought it from and walked up and down with a
placard saying 'Don't buy ****** they're rubbish". They rushed out and
told him he couldn't do that and he said 'watch me'. After a couple of
hours he was promised and subsequently got, his new car and it was
perfect. The first was a Friday car, you've got a Friday cooker.
I've printed that out, to remind me not to be a doormat.
My accent is American enough, that I don't want to be taken for the
cliche 'pushy American'. But perhaps I should go with that - emphasize
the American-ness, stamp my foot, and demand better treatment!
RustyHinge
2013-11-01 17:52:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
S Viemeister
2013-11-01 19:30:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Third visit from the official repairers.
This time, the PCB board was once again replaced (this makes 4 new
boards), the fan motor was replaced (this is the second replacement),
and one of the electric elements was replaced. He checked for shorts,
reassembled, turned on the power...I am now heating the great outdoors,
as windows have had to be opened to vent the smell of fried components.
Repair guy doesn't have sufficient bits in his van to re-repair.
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
RustyHinge
2013-11-02 11:31:20 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
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Martin
2013-11-02 11:51:33 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
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Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-02 14:05:15 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
I cook on gas. My 47 kilo bottle has been in place for approximately
three years.
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Martin
2013-11-03 09:08:43 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:05:15 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
I cook on gas. My 47 kilo bottle has been in place for approximately
three years.
On the web somebody said that bottled Calor Gas in large quantities
works out at 14p/kilo watt hour.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-03 12:34:41 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:05:15 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
I cook on gas. My 47 kilo bottle has been in place for approximately
three years.
On the web somebody said that bottled Calor Gas in large quantities
works out at 14p/kilo watt hour.
People on the web have said that the fossil record in the rocks were put
there to test people's faith in the creation myth, and did you know that
the Earth is flat?

(Still...)

If you are prepared to wait a little longer¹³² for your pans to heat (by
using a drastically reduced flame), you don't lose nearly so much heat
up their sides, and you don't run the risk of charring the bottom of the
contents. If you boil eggs, start them from cold, etc

¹³² And I mean a little

If the usual cost is said to be 14p KWHr, I bet mine comes to more like 4p
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Sacha
2013-11-03 12:53:14 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:05:15 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
I cook on gas. My 47 kilo bottle has been in place for approximately
three years.
On the web somebody said that bottled Calor Gas in large quantities
works out at 14p/kilo watt hour.
I think you'd worry more if you had this woman's problem!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/7488832/My-aga-love-affair-is-cooling.html


We'll keep our Aga while it lasts and it is indeed, a warm and cosy
'heart' to the house but it isn't a good way of cooking, imo. Any Aga
cook knows that it's burning fuel even when not in use and that if you
want to use the hot plates, you have to juggle timings for roasts etc.,
so the ovens don't lose heat. I believe Mary Berry goes into that in
one of her books but that's what I was told. I haven't read it myself.
Agas are the best known of this form of stove, btw, but the obvious
problems don't belong to them exclusively!
--
Sacha
South Devon
Janet
2013-11-03 14:07:43 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>,
***@landscovedevon.com says...


Any Aga
Post by Sacha
cook knows that it's burning fuel even when not in use and that if you
want to use the hot plates, you have to juggle timings for roasts etc.,
so the ovens don't lose heat.
Nope. Never found that, and I used the AGA exclusively, for
everything. We had no other cooking source.
Post by Sacha
I believe Mary Berry goes into that in
one of her books but that's what I was told. I haven't read it myself.
Obviously.

I have read her AGA book and she doesn't.

What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.

Janet
RustyHinge
2013-11-03 17:23:51 UTC
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Post by Janet
What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.
I grew up using an AGA, or having one used about me. ("Mummy, Mummy,
what's for dinner?" - "Shut upand get back in the oven!") and yes,
cooking on the hotter plate reduces the oven temperature significantly -
indeed the book tells you how to reduce the temperature of the oven this
way for cooking sponges and similar.

Lovely pieces of kit, but the ovens are ridiculously small. My mother
bought a Moffat electric cooker *especially* for the Christmas turkey
and the ham.
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Phil C.
2013-11-03 18:08:33 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.
I grew up using an AGA, or having one used about me. ("Mummy, Mummy,
what's for dinner?" - "Shut upand get back in the oven!") and yes,
cooking on the hotter plate reduces the oven temperature significantly -
indeed the book tells you how to reduce the temperature of the oven this
way for cooking sponges and similar.
Lovely pieces of kit, but the ovens are ridiculously small. My mother
bought a Moffat electric cooker *especially* for the Christmas turkey
and the ham.
I'm not sure what's lovely about them, unless there's no option. Even
then, aren't there better ranges? I "inherited" one (oil) c1974 and
couldn't wait to get rid of it, once we'd put in central heating. The
argument always seems to me to shift once any particular disadvantage is
pointed out <shrug>
--
Phil C.
Sacha
2013-11-03 23:15:46 UTC
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Post by Phil C.
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.
I grew up using an AGA, or having one used about me. ("Mummy, Mummy,
what's for dinner?" - "Shut upand get back in the oven!") and yes,
cooking on the hotter plate reduces the oven temperature significantly -
indeed the book tells you how to reduce the temperature of the oven this
way for cooking sponges and similar.
Lovely pieces of kit, but the ovens are ridiculously small. My mother
bought a Moffat electric cooker *especially* for the Christmas turkey
and the ham.
I'm not sure what's lovely about them, unless there's no option. Even
then, aren't there better ranges? I "inherited" one (oil) c1974 and
couldn't wait to get rid of it, once we'd put in central heating. The
argument always seems to me to shift once any particular disadvantage
is pointed out <shrug>
Friends of ours have one on which the central boiling plate is an 'S'
curve and as far as I can recall, it's never covered. I can't remember
its name but if it comes to me, I'll post it. Theirs is oil fired. I
don't know one person with an Aga - and I've had two - who has not
found that the ovens (especially the main, roasting oven) lose heat
when the hot plates are used. Unfortunately, it's one of the things
Aga users have to get used to and for about three years, an Aga was the
only cooker I had and it drove me mad. Having Christmas lunch at 4,
when it was planned for 1 the first year was down to just that plus
horrible high winds. A couple of years later, I sold it and when I
said to an estate agent friend that I was the only woman I knew glad to
get shot of an Aga, she said "oh no you're not", but wouldn't expand
further!

I've come to the conclusion that an Aga or similar constant heat range,
satisfies some atavistic instinct in humans for perpetual fire to keep
away predators, warm the inhabitants and cook their food at any time!
I can remember the very short period in which I had the tiniest amount
to do with Guiding and 'keeping the fire in' was paramount! I suspect
a range satisfies a whole - ahem, range - of needs! I'm the first to
admit that in cold weather, I'm glad of that central core of warmth in
the house but it's a jolly expensive way to warm a kitchen, dry a few
clothes and roast a few bits of meat.

Agas and their cousins have their devotees who undoubtedly far outweigh
their detractors but I honestly don't know why, except for my atavistic
explanation. They cost a small fortune, well into several thousands;
they have to be on day and night, summer and winter, unless you have
alternative means of cooking and the results can be very dubious in
terms of reliability.
--
Sacha
South Devon
Jane Gillett
2013-11-04 09:02:09 UTC
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Post by Sacha
Post by Phil C.
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.
I grew up using an AGA, or having one used about me. ("Mummy, Mummy,
what's for dinner?" - "Shut upand get back in the oven!") and yes,
cooking on the hotter plate reduces the oven temperature significantly -
indeed the book tells you how to reduce the temperature of the oven this
way for cooking sponges and similar.
Lovely pieces of kit, but the ovens are ridiculously small. My mother
bought a Moffat electric cooker *especially* for the Christmas turkey
and the ham.
I'm not sure what's lovely about them, unless there's no option. Even
then, aren't there better ranges? I "inherited" one (oil) c1974 and
couldn't wait to get rid of it, once we'd put in central heating. The
argument always seems to me to shift once any particular disadvantage
is pointed out <shrug>
Friends of ours have one on which the central boiling plate is an 'S'
curve and as far as I can recall, it's never covered. I can't remember
its name but if it comes to me, I'll post it. Theirs is oil fired. I
don't know one person with an Aga - and I've had two - who has not
found that the ovens (especially the main, roasting oven) lose heat
when the hot plates are used. Unfortunately, it's one of the things
Aga users have to get used to and for about three years, an Aga was the
only cooker I had and it drove me mad. Having Christmas lunch at 4,
when it was planned for 1 the first year was down to just that plus
horrible high winds. A couple of years later, I sold it and when I
said to an estate agent friend that I was the only woman I knew glad to
get shot of an Aga, she said "oh no you're not", but wouldn't expand
further!
I've come to the conclusion that an Aga or similar constant heat range,
satisfies some atavistic instinct in humans for perpetual fire to keep
away predators, warm the inhabitants and cook their food at any time!
I can remember the very short period in which I had the tiniest amount
to do with Guiding and 'keeping the fire in' was paramount! I suspect
a range satisfies a whole - ahem, range - of needs! I'm the first to
admit that in cold weather, I'm glad of that central core of warmth in
the house but it's a jolly expensive way to warm a kitchen, dry a few
clothes and roast a few bits of meat.
Agas and their cousins have their devotees who undoubtedly far outweigh
their detractors but I honestly don't know why, except for my atavistic
explanation. They cost a small fortune, well into several thousands;
they have to be on day and night, summer and winter, unless you have
alternative means of cooking and the results can be very dubious in
terms of reliability.
We like the kitchen to be warm; it's big and cold and "cavernous" when the
range is off. Yes, we could leave a radiator on all day, I guess. It might
be worth it financially although it would obviously be a while before we
recouped conversion costs. For me, while we can afford it, the "lifestyle"
advantages are worth having. It's like other aspects of a home - you pay
for what makes you happy if you can beit carpet type or, as here recently,
kitchen top if it means enough to you.
Cooking?
WOKs are a method which is not as good as on gas or radiant elect;
and the top of the hot oven is not as good a grill as the best gasfired
ones; our NOBEL had a grill element in the bottom oven but we never used it
and had it removed as a waste of space. Don't grill much.
Ovens are fine - don't seem to have problems when using the rings but maybe
it's me not being observant; cooking times don't seem to be extended
uinless there's an east wind. Temperature is definitely sensitive to wind
strength and direction (easterly lowers the temp) and chimney performance
is an unknown the architect warned us about situated as we are on the side
of a hill. In fact, the range once went out in a strong easterly before we
had the flue regulator put in. A further point on oven is that we have a
metal plate to put above the cake tins when cooking cakes; without it the
top browns too fast. I'd assumed that that was normal for AGAs but
apparently not.
I had trouble finding an alternative to the cast iron bakestone previously
used on gas; didn't want the rough underside to scratch the enamel on top
of the range and the naked hotplate was too hot. Now use a cast iron frying
pan which is very big.

Yes. They are expensive - thousands as you say. Our NOBEL was admittedly a
cheaper alternative but it's generally worked out well.

The boiler leak was a blessing in disguise; the hot water had been <too
hot> before and when they relaced the defunct boiler with an AGA one the
hot water temp became cooler.
Cheers
Jane
--
Jane Gillett : ***@higherstert.co.uk : Totnes, Devon.
Phil C.
2013-11-04 12:28:02 UTC
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Post by Sacha
Post by Phil C.
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
What she does discuss, is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one, which has absolutely nothing to
do with ovens or hot plates losing heat.
I grew up using an AGA, or having one used about me. ("Mummy, Mummy,
what's for dinner?" - "Shut upand get back in the oven!") and yes,
cooking on the hotter plate reduces the oven temperature significantly -
indeed the book tells you how to reduce the temperature of the oven this
way for cooking sponges and similar.
Lovely pieces of kit, but the ovens are ridiculously small. My mother
bought a Moffat electric cooker *especially* for the Christmas turkey
and the ham.
I'm not sure what's lovely about them, unless there's no option. Even
then, aren't there better ranges? I "inherited" one (oil) c1974 and
couldn't wait to get rid of it, once we'd put in central heating. The
argument always seems to me to shift once any particular disadvantage
is pointed out <shrug>
Friends of ours have one on which the central boiling plate is an 'S'
curve and as far as I can recall, it's never covered. I can't remember
its name but if it comes to me, I'll post it. Theirs is oil fired. I
don't know one person with an Aga - and I've had two - who has not found
that the ovens (especially the main, roasting oven) lose heat when the
hot plates are used. Unfortunately, it's one of the things Aga users
have to get used to and for about three years, an Aga was the only
cooker I had and it drove me mad. Having Christmas lunch at 4, when it
was planned for 1 the first year was down to just that plus horrible
high winds. A couple of years later, I sold it and when I said to an
estate agent friend that I was the only woman I knew glad to get shot of
an Aga, she said "oh no you're not", but wouldn't expand further!
I've come to the conclusion that an Aga or similar constant heat range,
satisfies some atavistic instinct in humans for perpetual fire to keep
away predators, warm the inhabitants and cook their food at any time!
Good point. I hadn't thought of that. Use of fire seems to have been
around an awfully long time in human history; much longer than used to
be thought (forget the details) so it may be in our genes e.g. just
seeing an artificial "flame" makes a room seem cosier. OTOH a heat
source is the last thing we want during a heatwave!
Post by Sacha
I'm the first to
admit that in cold weather, I'm glad of that central core of warmth in
the house but it's a jolly expensive way to warm a kitchen, dry a few
clothes and roast a few bits of meat.
Yes. I know people who economise by turning it off with a time switch,
but that has obvious disadvantages.
Post by Sacha
Agas and their cousins have their devotees who undoubtedly far outweigh
their detractors but I honestly don't know why, except for my atavistic
explanation. They cost a small fortune, well into several thousands;
they have to be on day and night, summer and winter, unless you have
alternative means of cooking and the results can be very dubious in
terms of reliability.
For many, I think they simply fit the modern, idealised image of
traditional rural living - a "country kitchen" even if they live in
town. For some the status aspect certainly applies - they can afford
thousands plus a modern cooker to complement it. But I wouldn't want to
be an inverted snob - some seem happy with them. I remember years ago we
sold a range (on behalf of somebody else who didn't have internet) to a
person who was moving up to a remote Scottish isles, off mains services.
I forget the make but it was something far more efficient and
versatile than an Aga. I don't know what modern options would be available.
--
Phil C.
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:35:00 UTC
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Following a post by Phil C.
Post by Phil C.
OTOH a heat
source is the last thing we want during a heatwave!
indeed. Also, a naked flame allows all possible cooking techniques and
any pan. When I cook fish I often start it on the hob skin down in a
pre heated very hot dry cast iron pan then finish it for a minute or
so in max temp oven. Lower/slower heat would dry it out I think.
--
Mike... . . . .
RustyHinge
2013-11-04 18:18:31 UTC
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Post by Sacha
Friends of ours have one on which the central boiling plate is an 'S'
curve and as far as I can recall, it's never covered. I can't remember
its name but if it comes to me, I'll post it.
Esse?
--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
sacha
2013-11-04 18:32:50 UTC
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Post by Sacha
Friends of ours have one on which the central boiling plate is an 'S'
curve and as far as I can recall, it's never covered. I can't remember
its name but if it comes to me, I'll post it.
Esse?
I don't think so, though I did wonder about that and looked those up.
As you move kettles and pots along the 'S' plate the heat changes from
boiling at one end to just simmering at the other. I had a feeling the
name began with 'S' but I can't get it. If necessary, I'll ring them!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:08:01 UTC
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Following a post by Janet
Post by Janet
is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one,
and this is convenient or easy? How is it in the same ballpark as
having a temperature knob?
--
Mike... . . . .
Janet
2013-11-04 18:09:54 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Janet
Post by Janet
is the Aga-cooking method of juggling a dish
between the hot oven and the cool one,
and this is convenient or easy? How is it in the same ballpark as
having a temperature knob?
Yes, it is as easy and quick to move a dish between ovens as, say,
browning a casserole on the hob before transferring it to the oven. Or,
bringing something to a boil then turning it down to a simmer.
You never need to wait for an Aga oven to warm up or cool down, they are
constantly at an even temperature. Far more convenient.

FWIW; we lived in the country in an old stone house with open plan
living /dining/kitchen, which the Aga silently, effortlessly maintained
at a constant comfortable ambient temperature night and day summer and
winter 364 days a year. One day off for servicing. (A modern, well-
installed Aga is so well insulated its innards take 24 hours to cool
down enough to be serviced).


Janet
Janet
2013-11-03 14:26:36 UTC
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Post by Sacha
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/7488832/My-aga-love-affair-is-cooling.html
She says ( after cooking in a microwave, fgs)

" Finally I bought an Aga guide book and discovered that Agas were
actually far easier to use than conventional cookers. Not only that but
everything that came out of it was utterly delectable."

Which is exactly my experience.

As for her gas costs complaint
The writer of that article wrongly blames her gas aga for her midwinter
gas bill, but later admits

"There were other reasons for the monster bill: it?s been the coldest
winter in 25 years, we live in a big, draughty Victorian house and
working from home means the heating is almost always on. Mercifully, a
heating engineer confirmed this. He calculated our Aga is costing us
around £14 a week and our lack of room thermostats was a bigger
culprit."

Janet.
RustyHinge
2013-11-03 17:55:06 UTC
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Our AGA ate solid fuel, and heated water for the tank and (IIRC) two
radiators until the house was almost doubled in size to accommodate my
mother's physiotherapy practice.

Then an oil-fired boiler was added for hot water and general heating.

Most meals were cooked on or in the Aga, and once you were proficient in
its little ways, it was ace.

Unfortunately my kitchen isn't large enough (even a Rayburn won't fit)
so it has to be gas.
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:36:08 UTC
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Following a post by Janet
Post by Janet
discovered that Agas were
actually far easier to use than conventional cookers. Not only that but
everything that came out of it was utterly delectable."
Which is exactly my experience.
why should everything be suddenly delectable? I don't believe a word
of it.
--
Mike... . . . .
Mike.. . . .
2013-11-04 13:50:30 UTC
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Following a post by Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
why should everything be suddenly delectable? I don't believe a word
of it.
I have three types of oven (gas - electric - electric fan), i find the
differences modest. I dont see why an Aga oven or hob could make food
suddenly "delectable". If it could chefs would araldite up the
temperature controls on thier kit. I also do not see how the ability
to chose any temperature could be less easy than not being able to do
so. When chefs use Agas I will get one.

By all means have an Aga if its what you like, but that woman is
making up bloody silly nonsense about it. Agas users are as bad as
Apple users!
--
Mike... . . . .
Ophelia
2013-11-04 14:00:33 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
why should everything be suddenly delectable? I don't believe a word
of it.
I have three types of oven (gas - electric - electric fan), i find the
differences modest. I dont see why an Aga oven or hob could make food
suddenly "delectable". If it could chefs would araldite up the
temperature controls on thier kit. I also do not see how the ability
to chose any temperature could be less easy than not being able to do
so. When chefs use Agas I will get one.
By all means have an Aga if its what you like, but that woman is
making up bloody silly nonsense about it. Agas users are as bad as
Apple users!
<g>
--
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Janet
2013-11-04 18:16:22 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Janet
Post by Janet
discovered that Agas were
actually far easier to use than conventional cookers. Not only that but
everything that came out of it was utterly delectable."
Which is exactly my experience.
why should everything be suddenly delectable? I don't believe a word
of it.
"Utterly" does not mean "suddenly".

Janet.
S Viemeister
2013-11-02 15:06:04 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
We sometimes have power cuts.
Sacha
2013-11-02 16:31:05 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
We sometimes have power cuts.
Same here. That's why we have a gas hob and an electric wall oven.
Then, even if the Aga is out in summer, we can cook.
--
Sacha
South Devon
Martin
2013-11-03 09:12:25 UTC
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Post by Sacha
Post by S Viemeister
Post by Martin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by S Viemeister
Post by RustyHinge
Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
We sometimes have power cuts.
Same here. That's why we have a gas hob and an electric wall oven.
Then, even if the Aga is out in summer, we can cook.
We have a pressurised paraffin stove as a back up. We've never had to
use it yet. One of the weaknesses of having a high efficiency gas
combi boiler is that they won't run if there is a power cut.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-03 12:39:11 UTC
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Post by Martin
We have a pressurised paraffin stove as a back up. We've never had to
use it yet. One of the weaknesses of having a high efficiency gas
combi boiler is that they won't run if there is a power cut.
They will if you wire-in a decent UPS
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Phil C.
2013-11-03 16:47:14 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
We have a pressurised paraffin stove as a back up. We've never had to
use it yet. One of the weaknesses of having a high efficiency gas
combi boiler is that they won't run if there is a power cut.
They will if you wire-in a decent UPS
Unless you need it for other purposes, it seems a pretty complicated and
expensive solution unless for serious power cuts(?) Then it needs to
integrate with its own generator. We found it hard to find a gas hob
that just keeps going all by itself. We were off for 3 days once.
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Phil C.
Martin
2013-11-03 09:09:31 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:06:04 +0000, S Viemeister
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:31:20 +0000, RustyHinge
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Use gas - it's so much simpler - and cheaper, even if it arrives in bottles.
It's a dual-fuel cooker.
Get a single-fuel cooker?
Is bottled gas really cheaper than electricity?
We sometimes have power cuts.
That's a winning argument. :-)
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Martin in Zuid Holland
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