Discussion:
Cucumber Pickle?
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Brian Reay
2013-11-08 21:26:07 UTC
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I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.

I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.

I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.

Does anyone know of a source, please?
graham
2013-11-08 22:06:18 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Graham
Martin
2013-11-08 22:36:36 UTC
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Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Aren't they pickled gherkins and not pickled cucumbers?
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Martin in Zuid Holland
graham
2013-11-08 22:51:27 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Aren't they pickled gherkins and not pickled cucumbers?
They are called cukes here but I suppose thay would be gherkins in the UK
and cornichons in France. They are all varieties of the same species.
Graham
graham
2013-11-08 23:07:37 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Aren't they pickled gherkins and not pickled cucumbers?
They are called cukes here but I suppose thay would be gherkins in the UK
and cornichons in France. They are all varieties of the same species.
Graham
Note the size of the cukes in this recipe from my local gas company:
http://www.atcoblueflamekitchen.com/Recipes/Recipe-Box/FRESH-PACK-DILL-PICKLES

Graham
Kev
2013-11-09 00:25:26 UTC
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Post by Martin
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Aren't they pickled gherkins and not pickled cucumbers?
They are called cukes here but I suppose thay would be gherkins in the UK
and cornichons in France. They are all varieties of the same species.
Graham
Not suer if you're in the UK - but there are big jars in Lidl
Martin
2013-11-09 08:42:43 UTC
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Post by graham
Post by Martin
Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Aren't they pickled gherkins and not pickled cucumbers?
They are called cukes here but I suppose thay would be gherkins in the UK
and the Dutch and German words for gherkin in respectively The
Netherlands and Germany.
Post by graham
and cornichons in France. They are all varieties of the same species.
Size does matter in this case :-)
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Martin in Zuid Holland
Brian Reay
2013-11-09 11:52:44 UTC
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Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Graham
You say "over here" and I notice that (I think) you are in Canada. The
recipe is American and specifically mentions cucumber pickle.

I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.

Then there are Gherkins, which also seem similar.

I suspect that Cucumbers are "milder" in taste.

It is also my understanding that Cucumber Pickle is popular in the USA
as a hamburger relish and it is as an ingredient for a 'special' relish
I want it.
Martin
2013-11-09 13:06:31 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Graham
You say "over here" and I notice that (I think) you are in Canada. The
recipe is American and specifically mentions cucumber pickle.
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Post by Brian Reay
Then there are Gherkins, which also seem similar.
I suspect that Cucumbers are "milder" in taste.
The only taste is the acid they are preserved in and the dill.

What is shown here called a cucumber is a pickled gherkin in The
Netherlands
http://depositphotos.com/4276737/stock-photo-Pickles-cucumber.html
Post by Brian Reay
It is also my understanding that Cucumber Pickle is popular in the USA
as a hamburger relish and it is as an ingredient for a 'special' relish
I want it.
Cucumber pickle is not the same as a pickled cucumber.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Brian Reay
2013-11-09 13:57:35 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
Post by graham
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only did
a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not heard
of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for another
recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
They are called Dill Pickles over here, where we have a large population of
people of Ukranian and Polish descent. In fact, if you try to buy pickling
spice blends, often the only variety available is for dill pickles. In the
fall, the supermarkets sell special cukes for pickling. They are a different
variety (smaller) to what they call "English" cukes.
Graham
You say "over here" and I notice that (I think) you are in Canada. The
recipe is American and specifically mentions cucumber pickle.
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
Then there are Gherkins, which also seem similar.
I suspect that Cucumbers are "milder" in taste.
The only taste is the acid they are preserved in and the dill.
What is shown here called a cucumber is a pickled gherkin in The
Netherlands
http://depositphotos.com/4276737/stock-photo-Pickles-cucumber.html
Post by Brian Reay
It is also my understanding that Cucumber Pickle is popular in the USA
as a hamburger relish and it is as an ingredient for a 'special' relish
I want it.
Cucumber pickle is not the same as a pickled cucumber.
Thank you Martin. There is clearly some problem with terminology across
nations (not uncommon!).

The stuff I'm looking for is a like a chutney, ie not whole cucumbers or
big chunks, more of a lumpy paste.
Ophelia
2013-11-09 16:18:33 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Cucumber pickle is not the same as a pickled cucumber.
Thank you Martin. There is clearly some problem with terminology across
nations (not uncommon!).
The stuff I'm looking for is a like a chutney, ie not whole cucumbers or
big chunks, more of a lumpy paste.
Cucumber pickle then:)
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RustyHinge
2013-11-09 17:37:38 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
Then there are Gherkins, which also seem similar.
I suspect that Cucumbers are "milder" in taste.
The only taste is the acid they are preserved in and the dill.
What is shown here called a cucumber is a pickled gherkin in The
Netherlands
http://depositphotos.com/4276737/stock-photo-Pickles-cucumber.html
A 'gherkin', a 'wally' and a 'cucumber' can all mean the same thing, or
not, according to location.

Looking at the product I *assume* that 'cocktail' gherkins are very
immature ridge cucumbers - and usually pickled in white, or 'spirit'
vinegar (but not always); 'Dill Pickled Cucumbers' are young ridge
cucumbers picked before the seeds properly form, and then pickled in a
range of vinegars and 'dill herb' (as opposed to 'dill seed' - both from
the same plant, similar to fennel); intermediate sizes of immature ridge
cucumbers, called different things (from 'Ugh!' through to 'To Die For')
in different countries.

Central and Eastern parts of Europe have different names for pickled
cucumbers, separately and severally, and there are many methods and
flavouring additives such as dill, garlic, and a range of vinegars (and
seemingly, diluted glacial acetic acid...)
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
It is also my understanding that Cucumber Pickle is popular in the USA
as a hamburger relish and it is as an ingredient for a 'special' relish
I want it.
Cucumber pickle is not the same as a pickled cucumber.
+1
Post by Brian Reay
Thank you Martin. There is clearly some problem with terminology across
nations (not uncommon!).
The stuff I'm looking for is a like a chutney, ie not whole cucumbers or
big chunks, more of a lumpy paste.
Probably formulated to use-up misshapen, broken or otherwise
unpresentable cucumbers - nowt wrong with that - FTTB try getting a
pickled cucumber recipe, using a food-processor to chop the cukes into
small chunks, then pickling them?
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Giusi
2013-11-13 10:14:38 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
Kev
2013-11-13 15:47:22 UTC
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
And we thought you Yanks couldn't do irony! ;-)
allegoricus
2013-11-13 18:03:16 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:14:38 -0800 (PST), Giusi
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
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Giusi
2013-11-13 19:16:17 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:14:38 -0800 (PST), Giusi
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
allegoricus
2013-11-13 20:39:38 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:14:38 -0800 (PST), Giusi
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
Not sure if it's exclusive or not - you may be right for all I know,
but the crop is also known for its variety (e,g, wheat).
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 09:54:54 UTC
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Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!

Steve
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Martin
2013-11-14 10:16:28 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 10:59:53 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them. I've no idea were the dictionary gets the
definition from.

Steve
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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-14 11:11:43 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
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Ophelia
2013-11-14 11:21:26 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
Same here and the farmer on the farm we stay calls it it all 'corn'
including barley.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 11:22:44 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:11:43 +0000, Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
It looks like there is some differences of definition in areas of
Britain. I grew up in Lancashire where there were lots of fields being
used for crops. No one I know or knew in my youth used the term corn
for other crops.

Steve
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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-14 12:05:24 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
No one I know or knew in my youth used the term corn
for other crops.
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 12:52:57 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:05:24 +0000, Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
No one I know or knew in my youth used the term corn
for other crops.
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize. It was when I grew up and it still is. We didn't call
the corn maize fields where I grew up. They were called corn fields.
The other crop fields were not called corn fields. Even now I don't
call the big ugly bush growing in my garden maize.

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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-14 13:57:27 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Mike.. . . .
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize
in the US
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Mike.. . . .
2013-11-14 14:13:15 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Corn is maize
in the US
I just checked Davidson, he agrees with me and the dictionary, all the
other posters and Janets examples, somehow you picked up an
Americanism.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 14:56:52 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:57:27 +0000, Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Mike.. . . .
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize
in the US
Maize is the way the species name mays is pronounced to avoid
confusion with the month.

Genus: Zea
Species: Z. mays

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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:28:51 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Mike.. . . .
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize
in the US
From which we get cornflour, cornpone, corn-cob, sweetcorn - origin
(unless I'm very much mistaken) in the US
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-17 09:06:11 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Mike.. . . .
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize
in the US
From which we get cornflour, cornpone, corn-cob, sweetcorn - origin
(unless I'm very much mistaken) in the US
All of which are also used in the UK.

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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:25:13 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:05:24 +0000, Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
No one I know or knew in my youth used the term corn
for other crops.
but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
Corn is maize. It was when I grew up and it still is. We didn't call
the corn maize fields where I grew up. They were called corn fields.
The other crop fields were not called corn fields. Even now I don't
call the big ugly bush growing in my garden maize.
I was using the word 'corn' long before I'd ever seen (or heard of) maize.

It referred in my locality to wheat.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:23:05 UTC
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but there is no individual crop called corn. There are wheat, barley,
oats, rye etc. they are varieties, corn is generic for grain.
And of course, for many postings here (and elsewhere.)
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Janet
2013-11-14 15:21:14 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:11:43 +0000, Mike.. . . .
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
It looks like there is some differences of definition in areas of
Britain. I grew up in Lancashire
So did I.
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
where there were lots of fields being
used for crops. No one I know or knew in my youth used the term corn
for other crops.
Corn is the farming term used throughout Britain for centuries, for
any grain crops (wheat, oats, barley) that when harvested were threshed
and separated into straw and grain.

Maize does not produce straw.

Janet.
RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:31:16 UTC
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Maize does not produce straw.
What is maize straw, then?
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Janet
2013-11-16 22:49:05 UTC
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Post by Janet
Maize does not produce straw.
What is maize straw, then?
Not the narrow yellow stems Brits are familiar with, baled on
harvested fields or used for thatching and animal bedding.

Janet.
RustyHinge
2013-11-17 00:11:08 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Janet
Maize does not produce straw.
What is maize straw, then?
Not the narrow yellow stems Brits are familiar with, baled on
harvested fields or used for thatching and animal bedding.
Why is maize straw used as fodder and bedding then?
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Tim C.
2013-11-15 11:11:40 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
I remember, as a youngster "corn" in the south-east, was always wheat.
Then, gradually "sweet corn" came in and after a while "corn" lost it's
clear definition and now, in practice can mean anything to anyone.

It caused a bit of a stir in Austria after WW2 when the Americans offered
to send tons of food, and when asked what they wanted most, the Austrians
said "corn" (meaning wheat) and got maize. Or so the story goes.
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Martin
2013-11-15 11:49:10 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
I remember, as a youngster "corn" in the south-east, was always wheat.
Then, gradually "sweet corn" came in and after a while "corn" lost it's
clear definition and now, in practice can mean anything to anyone.
It caused a bit of a stir in Austria after WW2 when the Americans offered
to send tons of food, and when asked what they wanted most, the Austrians
said "corn" (meaning wheat) and got maize. Or so the story goes.
Corn is also used by people who can't tell one grain crop from
another.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:33:20 UTC
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Corn is also used by people who can't tell one grain crop from
another.
I do hope you don't use that as a precedent...
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Phil C.
2013-11-15 16:05:19 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
I remember, as a youngster "corn" in the south-east, was always wheat.
Then, gradually "sweet corn" came in and after a while "corn" lost it's
clear definition and now, in practice can mean anything to anyone.
It caused a bit of a stir in Austria after WW2 when the Americans offered
to send tons of food, and when asked what they wanted most, the Austrians
said "corn" (meaning wheat) and got maize. Or so the story goes.
IIRC "Corned" beef is evidently named after the "corns", i.e. large salt
crystals the size and shape of a grain. Which grain? Dunno. But nothing
like the corned beef in a tin!
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Ophelia
2013-11-15 18:44:05 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them
what did you mean by "corn"?
I'm British too and "corn" for me means the staple crop, usually
wheat.
I remember, as a youngster "corn" in the south-east, was always wheat.
Then, gradually "sweet corn" came in and after a while "corn" lost it's
clear definition and now, in practice can mean anything to anyone.
It caused a bit of a stir in Austria after WW2 when the Americans offered
to send tons of food, and when asked what they wanted most, the Austrians
said "corn" (meaning wheat) and got maize. Or so the story goes.
IIRC "Corned" beef is evidently named after the "corns", i.e. large salt
crystals the size and shape of a grain. Which grain? Dunno. But nothing
like the corned beef in a tin!
In the US group they cook corned beef. Not canned! I am sure Sheila can
explain.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:34:39 UTC
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IIRC "Corned" beef is evidently named after the "corns", i.e. large salt
crystals the size and shape of a grain. Which grain? Dunno. But nothing
like the corned beef in a tin!
Corned beef is so called because the cattle have been fed on maize.
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graham
2013-11-16 18:38:31 UTC
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Post by Phil C.
IIRC "Corned" beef is evidently named after the "corns", i.e. large salt
crystals the size and shape of a grain. Which grain? Dunno. But nothing
like the corned beef in a tin!
Corned beef is so called because the cattle have been fed on maize.
I think you have become unhinged! {:-)
Graham
S Viemeister
2013-11-15 16:21:09 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
I remember, as a youngster "corn" in the south-east, was always wheat.
Then, gradually "sweet corn" came in and after a while "corn" lost it's
clear definition and now, in practice can mean anything to anyone.
It caused a bit of a stir in Austria after WW2 when the Americans offered
to send tons of food, and when asked what they wanted most, the Austrians
said "corn" (meaning wheat) and got maize. Or so the story goes.
A German friend told me the same story.
Janet
2013-11-14 14:46:26 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them.
Can you describe what was growing in the fields you called "corn".
(height, colour when ripe, method of harvesting)

Maize does NOT become a field of gold or tawny buff rippling in the
breeze; harvesting maize does NOT leave rows of cut straw and a
combine harvester does NOT turn maize stems into rectangular or
cylindrical bales of straw.

Barley does.

Janet
Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-14 15:18:28 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them.
Can you describe what was growing in the fields you called "corn".
(height, colour when ripe, method of harvesting)
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July. The same
plants grown commercially are planted in April. They are dug up after
harvesting.

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Janet
2013-11-14 16:25:53 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them.
Can you describe what was growing in the fields you called "corn".
(height, colour when ripe, method of harvesting)
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
I don't know what ugly thing you have growing in your garden but it
won't have corn cobs on it next July.

Maize is not perennial.

Janet.
Martin
2013-11-14 21:35:34 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Janet
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them.
Can you describe what was growing in the fields you called "corn".
(height, colour when ripe, method of harvesting)
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
I don't know what ugly thing you have growing in your garden but it
won't have corn cobs on it next July.
Maize is not perennial.
If you believe Nick M it never ripens in northern Europe. :-)
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allegoricus
2013-11-15 09:34:09 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Janet
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them.
Can you describe what was growing in the fields you called "corn".
(height, colour when ripe, method of harvesting)
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
I don't know what ugly thing you have growing in your garden but it
won't have corn cobs on it next July.
Maize is not perennial.
If you believe Nick M it never ripens in northern Europe. :-)
I would like to apologise for pushing the conversation in this
direction.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:38:27 UTC
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I would like to apologise for pushing the conversation in this
direction.
Thread drift is mandatory. (According to ExZets)
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Tim C.
2013-11-15 11:14:46 UTC
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It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
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Martin
2013-11-15 11:50:54 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
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Tim C.
2013-11-15 12:21:00 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
Tends to ... there others in the allotment? Or nearby? that'd help.
It can ripen, but does better in groups. On it's own either it's pretty hit
and miss, ime.
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Phil C.
2013-11-15 16:26:11 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
Tends to ... there others in the allotment? Or nearby? that'd help.
It can ripen, but does better in groups. On it's own either it's pretty hit
and miss, ime.
Ditto. There are so many factors that determine how a crop of anything
turns out. Is it worth it? A lot of effort and space for a small result
but, oh, the flavour of sweetcorn straight from the garden! We've never
grown much because it takes a lot of space in a small-ish veg patch. The
last time we had it, we had Spanish friends staying. Socialising was
much higher priority than cooking. It was a quick, convenient lunchtime
choice. Sadly, it cleared out our entire crop, some of it hurriedly
picked unripe. But it was the best I've ever tasted. They, incidentally,
had never heard of eating it as a whole cob on a "skewer". Not sure how
they (from Madrid) cook it.
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allegoricus
2013-11-16 09:04:50 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
Tends to ... there others in the allotment? Or nearby? that'd help.
It can ripen, but does better in groups. On it's own either it's pretty hit
and miss, ime.
Ditto. There are so many factors that determine how a crop of anything
turns out. Is it worth it? A lot of effort and space for a small result
but, oh, the flavour of sweetcorn straight from the garden! We've never
grown much because it takes a lot of space in a small-ish veg patch. The
last time we had it, we had Spanish friends staying. Socialising was
much higher priority than cooking. It was a quick, convenient lunchtime
choice. Sadly, it cleared out our entire crop, some of it hurriedly
picked unripe. But it was the best I've ever tasted. They, incidentally,
had never heard of eating it as a whole cob on a "skewer". Not sure how
they (from Madrid) cook it.
Strangely (in my wife's opinion), I eat corn-on-the-cob with a knife
and fork.
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Martin
2013-11-16 10:26:43 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
Post by Phil C.
Post by Tim C.
Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
Tends to ... there others in the allotment? Or nearby? that'd help.
It can ripen, but does better in groups. On it's own either it's pretty hit
and miss, ime.
Ditto. There are so many factors that determine how a crop of anything
turns out. Is it worth it? A lot of effort and space for a small result
but, oh, the flavour of sweetcorn straight from the garden! We've never
grown much because it takes a lot of space in a small-ish veg patch. The
last time we had it, we had Spanish friends staying. Socialising was
much higher priority than cooking. It was a quick, convenient lunchtime
choice. Sadly, it cleared out our entire crop, some of it hurriedly
picked unripe. But it was the best I've ever tasted. They, incidentally,
had never heard of eating it as a whole cob on a "skewer". Not sure how
they (from Madrid) cook it.
Strangely (in my wife's opinion), I eat corn-on-the-cob with a knife
and fork.
Me too! This is the newsgroup for weirdoes :-)
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:43:14 UTC
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Post by Phil C.
Post by Tim C.
Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
Tends to ... there others in the allotment? Or nearby? that'd help.
It can ripen, but does better in groups. On it's own either it's pretty hit
and miss, ime.
Ditto. There are so many factors that determine how a crop of anything
turns out. Is it worth it? A lot of effort and space for a small result
but, oh, the flavour of sweetcorn straight from the garden! We've never
grown much because it takes a lot of space in a small-ish veg patch. The
last time we had it, we had Spanish friends staying. Socialising was
much higher priority than cooking. It was a quick, convenient lunchtime
choice. Sadly, it cleared out our entire crop, some of it hurriedly
picked unripe. But it was the best I've ever tasted. They, incidentally,
had never heard of eating it as a whole cob on a "skewer". Not sure how
they (from Madrid) cook it.
Strangely (in my wife's opinion), I eat corn-on-the-cob with a knife
and fork.
Janet Street-Porter could - - - - - <no carrier>
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Martin
2013-11-15 21:49:10 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
She grew eight plants in a clump. There are no others close. They all
fertilised. Slugs and mice ate six. We were left with two perfect ripe
sweet corns.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:49:15 UTC
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Post by Martin
My wife grows sweet corn on an allotment. I wouldn't describe it as
growing in a large dense stand. It does ripen
She grew eight plants in a clump. There are no others close. They all
fertilised. Slugs and mice ate six. We were left with two perfect ripe
sweet corns.
One year on the smallholding I grew ¾ acre of market garden crops. The
rabbits left me with one sweetcorn cob - no French beans, no runner bean
(vines), no spinach, no nuffin except that one sweetcorn cob.

They kept me well supplied with rabbit casserole though...
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-15 12:16:30 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
The garden next door has a patch of the same plants. That's where the
one in my garden came from. I asked him about it last night. He says
it is called forage maize. If it isn't cut down for forage it produces
corn. I just read all about it and have my doubts about it getting
through winter.

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Phil C.
2013-11-15 16:31:58 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
The garden next door has a patch of the same plants. That's where the
one in my garden came from. I asked him about it last night. He says
it is called forage maize. If it isn't cut down for forage it produces
corn. I just read all about it and have my doubts about it getting
through winter.
Quite a lot of maize is grown around us for cattle feed. It looks like
sweetcorn but isn't remotely palatable. It looks identical but a very
different variety with dull flavour and texture.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:57:56 UTC
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Quite a lot of maize is grown around us for cattle feed. It looks like
sweetcorn but isn't remotely palatable. It looks identical but a very
different variety with dull flavour and texture.
I nosh lots of them while out brushing (beating), and I find them
virtually indistinguishable from sweetcorn.

They are planted to provide cover. Quite a lot of maize is grown around
us for cattle feed, and the deer and rats appreciate the cobs. Keep
maize away from rats if possible as it partially negates the effects of
Warfarin.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:50:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
The garden next door has a patch of the same plants. That's where the
one in my garden came from. I asked him about it last night. He says
it is called forage maize. If it isn't cut down for forage it produces
corn. I just read all about it and have my doubts about it getting
through winter.
It won't.

Well, not alive.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-16 16:39:34 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
It looked exactly like the ugly 5ft high plant growing now in my
garden. It has no corn cobs on it but it will have in July.
If its on it's own, it probably won't. They are wind pollinated and
normally don't do well unless they're in large dense stands.
Football stadia?
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RustyHinge
2013-11-15 16:12:04 UTC
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I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them. I've no idea were the dictionary gets the
definition from.
I grew up in Essex and have spent loads of time on farms - by loads, I
mean that farming went on all round me, and I knew most of the farmers,
and as an anklebiter,gleaned over their fields after harvest. The first
ploughing I saw was with horses, and the first mechanised ploughing was
with a traction engine. If I'd crossed the ditch at the bottom of the
garden and had walked eastwards, apart from crossing roads, I could have
walked about 25 miles to the coast on fields, and not come within half
amile of a house.

I have helped at harvest many times over the years, and had a small farm
myself (Norfolk - and been a crofter on the Isle of Lewis). Throughout
all this time I have never known in England 'corn' to have been anything
but synonimous with 'wheat'.

There may beregional differences, but I've never met any. (See Robbie
Burns' song 'Riggs of Barley'

# Corn riggs and barley riggs,
Corn riggs are bonnie-oh,

Dammit! Forgotten most of the rest!
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Phil C.
2013-11-15 16:51:30 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
I grew up in an area of Lancashire where there were fields of various
crops within walking distance. Almost all were wheat, corn and oats
that's what we called them. I've no idea were the dictionary gets the
definition from.
I grew up in Essex and have spent loads of time on farms - by loads, I
mean that farming went on all round me, and I knew most of the farmers,
and as an anklebiter,gleaned over their fields after harvest. The first
ploughing I saw was with horses, and the first mechanised ploughing was
with a traction engine. If I'd crossed the ditch at the bottom of the
garden and had walked eastwards, apart from crossing roads, I could have
walked about 25 miles to the coast on fields, and not come within half
amile of a house.
I have helped at harvest many times over the years, and had a small farm
myself (Norfolk - and been a crofter on the Isle of Lewis). Throughout
all this time I have never known in England 'corn' to have been anything
but synonimous with 'wheat'.
There may beregional differences
Interesting personal history. OTOH, I also grew up in (south) Essex and
only ever knew corn to be a generic definition. I guess I moved in
rather more suburban circles in those days <shrug>
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Phil C.
RustyHinge
2013-11-16 17:04:47 UTC
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Interesting personal history. OTOH, I also grew up in (south) Essex and
only ever knew corn to be a generic definition. I guess I moved in
rather more suburban circles in those days <shrug>
Ah, but *when*?

My first memories of harvest would have been around 1944...

There may have been enough time between us to account for shift of
usage. There was a huge influx into South essex from the East End of
London especially, and I was an incomer from Kent when I was about three.

My siblings were two Essex Girls and an Essex Boy.
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RustyHinge
2013-11-15 15:54:03 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
Not by cognoscenti. In England anyway, corn fields means wheat fields.

The collective name for different grains is 'cereal'.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Janet
2013-11-15 19:22:00 UTC
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Post by Martin
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
Not by cognoscenti. In England anyway, corn fields means wheat fields.
The collective name for different grains is 'cereal'.
We should immediately revise history and rename Corn Law the Cereal
Law. Or the noncognoscenti might wrongly think the Corn Laws applied
only to wheat.

Janet.
Phil C.
2013-11-15 20:09:48 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
Not by cognoscenti. In England anyway, corn fields means wheat fields.
The collective name for different grains is 'cereal'.
We should immediately revise history and rename Corn Law the Cereal
Law. Or the noncognoscenti might wrongly think the Corn Laws applied
only to wheat.
Or that they were merely boring old laws they had to learn about in
school for some reason that no one ever took the time to explain
properly. Which I am about to do now.... i.e. not explain them properly.
I have my priorities. It's thoroughly on-topic and they are pivotal to
understanding much of C19th British economic, social and political
history.. But the football has just kicked off... Oh dear. Man does not
live by bread alone. He needs bread and football.
--
Phil C.
Martin
2013-11-15 21:51:14 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
Not by cognoscenti. In England anyway, corn fields means wheat fields.
The collective name for different grains is 'cereal'.
We should immediately revise history and rename Corn Law the Cereal
Law. Or the noncognoscenti might wrongly think the Corn Laws applied
only to wheat.
LOL very good.
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Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-16 17:06:28 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Martin
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:54:54 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Not even people who refer to corn fields?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/corn_1?q=corn
Not by cognoscenti. In England anyway, corn fields means wheat fields.
The collective name for different grains is 'cereal'.
We should immediately revise history and rename Corn Law the Cereal
Law. Or the noncognoscenti might wrongly think the Corn Laws applied
only to wheat.
Oh no, the incognoscenti would think the laws applied to maize...
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Janet
2013-11-14 10:59:26 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
A Brit who hasn't heard of the Corn Laws, cornflowers, corncrakes,
Constable's "Cornfield"?

Or

Little Boy Blue,
Come blow your horn,
The sheep's in the meadow,
The cow's in the corn

None of which refer to maize.

Janet.
graham
2013-11-14 14:31:56 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:16:17 -0800 (PST), Giusi
Post by Giusi
Post by allegoricus
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
I'm British and do not know anyone using corn as a generic term!
Steve
"Fair waved the golden corn,
In Canaan's pleasant land,
When full of joy, some shining morn,
Went forth the reaper band." etc.

Victorian hymn

Graham
RustyHinge
2013-11-15 15:50:33 UTC
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Post by allegoricus
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:14:38 -0800 (PST), Giusi
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
H'ackshly, isn't "corn" a generic term applied to whatever is the
dominant cereal crop?
Amongst the British I believe that's true. We have a name for each.
Generally, 'corn' is used to denote wheat in the UK. We also grow
barley, oats, rye, maize, but not, as far as I know, rice.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
RustyHinge
2013-11-13 18:26:35 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
Two nations divided by a common language. Judging by the appearance of a
high proportion of USAnians, much too rich...

Oh, and Piccallilly is properly a clear mixed pickle - not thickened,
and with no turmeric.

The world and his wife now calls mustard pickle 'piccallilly'.

And dill pickled cucumbers are flavoured with dill weed, not dill seeds.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Giusi
2013-11-13 19:19:34 UTC
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
Two nations divided by a common language. Judging by the appearance of a
high proportion of USAnians, much too rich...
Oh, and Piccallilly is properly a clear mixed pickle - not thickened,
and with no turmeric.
The world and his wife now calls mustard pickle 'piccallilly'.
And dill pickled cucumbers are flavoured with dill weed, not dill seeds.
All your words and all wrong. It happens that I make dill pickles, as did my mother and her mother before her. I even have to grow the correct cucumber and the dill as they are not available here. I KNOW what is in them.
Picalilli comes in vast variety, but for us mustard pickle is a special thing, not minced and my grandmother's recipe is the best. Promise.
Tim C.
2013-11-15 11:17:35 UTC
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Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Giusi
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Martin
Post by Brian Reay
I believe that Dills and Cucumbers are similar, I've rarely had Dills.
The dill in dill pickles is a herb.
Oh, so there isn't another use of "dill".
Only in USania where 'corn' applies to maize, 'muffins' are an obese
fairy-cake, crisps are chips and chips are 'fries'.
Ahhh stuff it. Corn is American and so we can call it what we like. Potato chips were invented by a chef in Saratoga, NY and called Saratoga chips at first, so we get to name those, too. Dill is Anethum graveolens and we are not at all confused about it. The pickles are made with the seeds and garlic, etc. and are correctly called Kosher Dill Pickles. They arise from our rich Jewish heritage.
What Brian wants is called piccalilli or sweet relish and resembles dill pickles in no way at all.
This is what comes of allowing Limeys access to our rich culinary scene.
Two nations divided by a common language. Judging by the appearance of a
high proportion of USAnians, much too rich...
Oh, and Piccallilly is properly a clear mixed pickle - not thickened,
and with no turmeric.
The world and his wife now calls mustard pickle 'piccallilly'.
And dill pickled cucumbers are flavoured with dill weed, not dill seeds.
All your words and all wrong. It happens that I make dill pickles, as did my mother and her mother before her. I even have to grow the correct cucumber and the dill as they are not available here. I KNOW what is in them.
Picalilli comes in vast variety, but for us mustard pickle is a special thing, not minced and my grandmother's recipe is the best. Promise.
Yeah, but you're a USAian. And so rusty's comments are still valid.
--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.
RustyHinge
2013-11-16 17:17:23 UTC
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Post by Giusi
All your words and all wrong. It happens that I make dill pickles, as did my mother and her mother before her. I even have to grow the correct cucumber and the dill as they are not available here. I KNOW what is in them.
Picalilli comes in vast variety, but for us mustard pickle is a special thing, not minced and my grandmother's recipe is the best. Promise.
You may think that.

I beg to differ.
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Rusty Hinge
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Tim C.
2013-11-15 11:15:53 UTC
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And dill pickled cucumbers are flavoured with dill weed, not dill seeds.
Thanks. I wondered if anyone else knew that.
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Tim C. Linz, Austria.
Tim C.
2013-11-15 11:25:34 UTC
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Post by Giusi
What Brian wants is called piccalilli
Piccalilli is based on cauliflower isn't it? Only minimal (if any )
cucumber, can't say I'd ever noticed any, but then I don't like it much.

Kosher Dill pickles, hmmm, brought over by the Jews, as you say, from many
parts of Europe where they are still made, with the dill herb, mustard and
other pickling spices. You can see the bits of dill leaf floating around in
the jars.

On this page, despite the poor quality, you can see the little strips of
dill leaf in the jar at the bottom, and some furhter up.

http://www.austriansupermarket.com/de/salate-sauer-dosengemuese/sauergemuese/efko_delikatess_gurken

So, as with "corn", "dill pickle" means different things to different
people.
--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.
Martin
2013-11-15 11:54:12 UTC
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Post by Giusi
What Brian wants is called piccalilli
Piccalilli is based on cauliflower isn't it? Only minimal (if any )
cucumber, can't say I'd ever noticed any, but then I don't like it much.
+1

The vinegar /acid used in some commercial piccalli saves having to
have plaque/calculus removed from your teeth mechanically :-)
Post by Tim C.
Kosher Dill pickles, hmmm, brought over by the Jews, as you say, from many
parts of Europe where they are still made, with the dill herb, mustard and
other pickling spices. You can see the bits of dill leaf floating around in
the jars.
On this page, despite the poor quality, you can see the little strips of
dill leaf in the jar at the bottom, and some furhter up.
http://www.austriansupermarket.com/de/salate-sauer-dosengemuese/sauergemuese/efko_delikatess_gurken
So, as with "corn", "dill pickle" means different things to different
people.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Phil C.
2013-11-15 15:04:07 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
Post by Giusi
What Brian wants is called piccalilli
Piccalilli is based on cauliflower isn't it? Only minimal (if any )
cucumber, can't say I'd ever noticed any, but then I don't like it much.
+1
The vinegar /acid used in some commercial piccalli saves having to
have plaque/calculus removed from your teeth mechanically :-)
Post by Tim C.
Kosher Dill pickles, hmmm, brought over by the Jews, as you say, from many
parts of Europe where they are still made, with the dill herb, mustard and
other pickling spices. You can see the bits of dill leaf floating around in
the jars.
On this page, despite the poor quality, you can see the little strips of
dill leaf in the jar at the bottom, and some furhter up.
http://www.austriansupermarket.com/de/salate-sauer-dosengemuese/sauergemuese/efko_delikatess_gurken
So, as with "corn", "dill pickle" means different things to different
people.
And language is constantly changing, usually so slowly that we don't
even notice. It's like trying to 'notice' an animal species evolving
before your very eyes
--
Phil C.
RustyHinge
2013-11-16 17:54:42 UTC
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Post by Tim C.
Post by Giusi
What Brian wants is called piccalilli
It could be the stuff miscalled piccalilli (see recipe below)
Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
Piccalilli is based on cauliflower isn't it? Only minimal (if any )
cucumber, can't say I'd ever noticed any, but then I don't like it much.
Cabbage, but cauli may be used instead.
Post by Martin
The vinegar /acid used in some commercial piccalli saves having to
have plaque/calculus removed from your teeth mechanically :-)
And is excellent for restoring badly corroded brass or copper - so long
as you wash it off before it eats it away completely.
Post by Martin
Post by Tim C.
Kosher Dill pickles, hmmm, brought over by the Jews, as you say, from many
parts of Europe where they are still made, with the dill herb, mustard and
other pickling spices. You can see the bits of dill leaf floating around in
the jars.
On this page, despite the poor quality, you can see the little strips of
dill leaf in the jar at the bottom, and some furhter up.
http://www.austriansupermarket.com/de/salate-sauer-dosengemuese/sauergemuese/efko_delikatess_gurken
So, as with "corn", "dill pickle" means different things to different
people.
From Elizabeth Craig's Economical Cookery (reprinted 1948, so probably
wartime)

Piccalilly

½ peck of green tomatoes
i large cabbage
2 head celery
2 lb sugar
6 large cucumbers
½ peck of small onions
1 chilli pepper
1 stalk of horseradish
2 tablespoons salt
2 teaspoons cinnamon
½ gall vinegar
1 teaspoon cloves

Clean and prepare the tomatoes, cucumber, cabbage, chilli, onions celery
and horseradish.* Chop all finely. measure vinegar into a saucepan. Add
spices, salt and sugar. Drain the chopped ingredients. Place in glass
jars. Pour over boiling vinegar, after straining. If liked, cauliflower
can be substituted for cabbage.


* 'Prepare' in this context is soaking in brine, made by adding 1 lb
salt to 1 gall water and bringing to the boil. Strain and chill before
using.

*That* is piccalilly, not the mustard pickle which today is marketed as
such.
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graham
2013-11-15 14:26:23 UTC
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Post by Giusi
What Brian wants is called piccalilli
Piccalilli is based on cauliflower isn't it? Only minimal (if any )
cucumber, can't say I'd ever noticed any, but then I don't like it much.
Kosher Dill pickles, hmmm, brought over by the Jews, as you say, from many
parts of Europe where they are still made, with the dill herb, mustard and
other pickling spices.
They may have started calling them Kosher Dill Pickles in New York where
there are so many Jews. In western Canada, where there is a significant %
of the population of Ukranian and Polish descent, they are just plain Dill
Pickles.
Graham
Phil C.
2013-11-15 15:55:39 UTC
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Post by graham
They may have started calling them Kosher Dill Pickles in New York where
there are so many Jews. In western Canada, where there is a significant %
of the population of Ukranian and Polish descent, they are just plain Dill
Pickles.
Graham
Yes. I (we all?) know quite a few 'Jewish dishes' when the definition is
actually rather vague. Some are Jewish in the sense of being strictly
kosher. Others are 'culturally' Jewish in the sense of being
seen/believed/claimed to have emerged from some 'ethnically' Jewish
cultural community somewhere in the world (or something). Obviously,
every Jewish community has developed for a long time in a cultural
context. E.g. a Sephardic Jewish dish from Spain is nothing like an
Ashkenazi Jewish dish from Poland. Either may have come to Britain via
the USA etc etc. Language is full of shorthand and stereotypes.
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Phil C.
Martin
2013-11-09 21:56:54 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
The stuff I'm looking for is a like a chutney, ie not whole cucumbers or
big chunks, more of a lumpy paste.
namely Cucumber pickles :-)

The recipes I find with google called Cucumber Pickles all seem to
produce pickled cucumbers.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-09 17:03:33 UTC
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Post by Martin
Cucumber pickle is not the same as a pickled cucumber.
You just shot my fox!

I wish I had the whole (written) output of Elizabeth Craig (a good shelf
full) and I'd bet you half a crown there'd be a recipe there.

Perform a search on Transpondian^h^h^American recipes by her. ISTR she
wrote at least one book of these.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Janet
2013-11-08 23:10:50 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.

Janet.
Brian Reay
2013-11-09 11:57:40 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
Janet
2013-11-09 16:42:02 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
I saw it on special offer in the Coop this am, Polish name is gorki
something.

Janet
Martin
2013-11-10 09:52:51 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Janet
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
I saw it on special offer in the Coop this am, Polish name is gorki
something.
ogórek?

I never thought of you having a local Polish population.

Googling I found that Leiden has two Polish shops and a Russian shop.
http://www.contrastleiden.nl/life-in-leiden-4-grocery-shopping/
Italian: Bocconi, Burgsteeg 6 and Pino, Hooigracht 106
Russian/Eastern European: Sarafan, Breestraat 173
Polish: Jakubek, Haven 26 and Sosna Polski Sklep, Lammermarkt 102
Indian: Indian & Tropical Market, Lammermarkt 212
Asian: Toko Nieuwe Wereld, Nieuwe Rijn 30
Turkish: Meltem Delicatessen, Panderpassage
Moroccan/Meditteranean: Mabroek, Nieuwe Beestenmarkt 2
British/Australian: Tuckerbox. They closed down their store recently
but you can place online orders.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
Ophelia
2013-11-10 12:08:58 UTC
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Post by Martin
I never thought of you having a local Polish population.
Googling I found that Leiden has two Polish shops and a Russian shop.
http://www.contrastleiden.nl/life-in-leiden-4-grocery-shopping/
Italian: Bocconi, Burgsteeg 6 and Pino, Hooigracht 106
Russian/Eastern European: Sarafan, Breestraat 173
Polish: Jakubek, Haven 26 and Sosna Polski Sklep, Lammermarkt 102
Indian: Indian & Tropical Market, Lammermarkt 212
Asian: Toko Nieuwe Wereld, Nieuwe Rijn 30
Turkish: Meltem Delicatessen, Panderpassage
Moroccan/Meditteranean: Mabroek, Nieuwe Beestenmarkt 2
British/Australian: Tuckerbox. They closed down their store recently
but you can place online orders.
Most of our supermarkets have Polish food sections. heh the first time I
saw the sign I wondered why they would have a section on polish
(furniture/shoe)
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
Janet
2013-11-11 15:17:09 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Janet
Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
I saw it on special offer in the Coop this am, Polish name is gorki
something.
ogórek?
I never thought of you having a local Polish population.
Enough to have Polish shelves in the Library, notices in the PO and
(most recently) a Polish ad in the local paper from the YES campaign :-)

Ever since Poland acquired EU free movement and employment rights
they've come to many areas of Britain (like this) where wages are low
and lots of jobs are either seasonal or unsocial hours. Poles have much
in common with Scots (and the rest of the island are incomers anyway) so
they get on well with everyone.

Janet.










Janet
Martin
2013-11-11 20:55:50 UTC
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I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
I saw it on special offer in the Coop this am, Polish name is gorki
something.
ogórek?
I never thought of you having a local Polish population.
Enough to have Polish shelves in the Library, notices in the PO and
(most recently) a Polish ad in the local paper from the YES campaign :-)
Ever since Poland acquired EU free movement and employment rights
they've come to many areas of Britain (like this) where wages are low
and lots of jobs are either seasonal or unsocial hours. Poles have much
in common with Scots (and the rest of the island are incomers anyway) so
they get on well with everyone.
There were a substantial number of Polish workers masquerading as
students in UK and The Netherlands before Poland acquired free
movement in the EU. We had our kitchen, shower and bathroom renovated
by a Polish guy in the 1990s, before that he had worked three years
for somebody called Charlie in London. Charlie sounded remarkably
similar the builder in Fawlty Towers. Our Pole was an Electrical
Engineering student who dropped out of a Polish university. When
Poland joined the EU, he went back to Poland where nowadays he runs
his own Import Export business.
--
Martin in Zuid Holland
RustyHinge
2013-11-09 16:56:00 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
Our local Co-op sells it, in the Polish foods section.
Janet.
I've not tried the Co-Op. I will give them a whirl. This other main
ones, plus Aldi and countless 'ethic' shops have not stocked it.
Ethic shops? That's the C-Op's claim anyway, Shirley?
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Stephen Wolstenholme
2013-11-09 16:29:31 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
I have just realised that there is a huge jar of cucumber pickle in
one of out cupboards. It's so old the lid is a bit rusty and it
predates "best before". The brand name is Krakus buts it is not listed
on their website.

Steve
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RustyHinge
2013-11-09 17:42:29 UTC
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I have just realised that there is a huge jar of cucumber pickle in
one of out cupboards. It's so old the lid is a bit rusty and it
predates "best before". The brand name is Krakus buts it is not listed
on their website.
As long as the contents are OK, just sterilise smaller jars and rebottle
them, and eat them as quickly as possible. (No,Martin, I don't mean
swallow them all whole as a batch...)

Pickling is a way of preserving food, so 'use by' dates are silly. Just
use common sense when the jars/lids are manky.
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Rusty Hinge
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RustyHinge
2013-11-09 19:06:19 UTC
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50 gherkins (ridge cucumbers) or small cucumbers;
½ cup of salt;
2 tablespoons of sugar;
½ Oz celery seed;
2 medium sized onions;
1 cup of olive oil;
1 quart of pickling (malt) vinegar;
½ Oz white mustard seed.

Comminute cucumbers. sprinkle the salt over the 'mush' - stand for 3 hours.

Drain thoroughly.

Add other ingredients, mix well and pack in jars, making sure the
ingredients are covered in a layer of vinegar.

Makes about a gallon.


To make this more of a chutney, put a dribble of water in a pan and cook
3 Lbs of peeled, sliced and cored Bramley Seedling apples with a small
knob of butter, and reduce apples to pulp.

Add
½ Oz celery seed;
2 medium sized onions, chopped small;
1 cup of olive oil;
½ Oz white mustard seed, ground, or from proprietary mustard powder.

Simmer until cooked and mix with other ingredients while the apple is
still hot.

Put in screwtop jars and keep for a month before using.
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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Giusi
2013-11-13 10:07:32 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
I've been hunting high and low for Cucumber Pickle, to no avail.
I understood that it was popular with with Polish people but not only
did a local Polish speciality shop not have it, they insisted they'd not
heard of it.
I can find recipes but, as I want is for the 'store cupboard' for
another recipe, this is a less than ideal solution.
Does anyone know of a source, please?
From your description, way below, I think you are looking for picallili or relish. I don't find it here, but I fake it by chopping up sweet gherkins and onion with a bit of mustard seed.
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