Discussion:
Sainsbury's prices
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John Silver
2014-01-11 13:18:03 UTC
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In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
John
RustyHinge
2014-01-11 14:29:36 UTC
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Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
I generally buy mine from an Indian shop - small tasty bananas - the
ones which are dried. No idea how much, but probably a lot more than
79p/kilo
Post by John Silver
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
I don't begrudge that - so long as the farmer gets a good screw of it.
Post by John Silver
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
That's way, way, way over what I pay
Post by John Silver
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
I learnt to make those around 1946
Post by John Silver
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
'stick' of sprouts, 80p
Post by John Silver
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Soap? If you wait long enough without using it, people will start
_giving_ it to you
Post by John Silver
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
If I go far enough, (about 1½ miles) I can get 50 kilos of spuds for
50p, and 50 kilos of carrots for a pound.

True, the spuds are all too small to please the EU, and the carrots are
mis-shapes or broken, but...

I tend to walk (or cycle) a furlong towards the village and there is a
stall selling vegetables. (And eggs. Ed.) Comes straight from (IIRC)
Spalding market. (But not the eggs - Derek grows those in his chicken
run. Ed.)
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Paul Corfield
2014-01-11 15:00:42 UTC
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Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
Loose mushrooms were up 17p a kilo.
6 pints of milk up 10p

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I'd love to know the basis on
which Sainsbury thinks increases of this scale are in any way
justified. And people wonder why discount supermarkets are doing well.
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John Silver
2014-01-11 16:15:28 UTC
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Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
Loose mushrooms were up 17p a kilo.
6 pints of milk up 10p
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I'd love to know the basis on
which Sainsbury thinks increases of this scale are in any way
justified. And people wonder why discount supermarkets are doing well.
I wrote to them about a year ago on big price increases at that time.
Their reply naturally was waffle and soon the others caugt up with them.
Unfortunately they are within a short walking distance with the the
others a good distance away by bus.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-11 16:17:56 UTC
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Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
Loose mushrooms were up 17p a kilo.
6 pints of milk up 10p
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I'd love to know the basis on
which Sainsbury thinks increases of this scale are in any way
justified. And people wonder why discount supermarkets are doing well.
I wrote to them about a year ago on big price increases at that time.
Their reply naturally was waffle and soon the others caugt up with them.
Unfortunately they are within a short walking distance with the the others
a good distance away by bus.
I got fed up with prices ages ago and now do most of my shopping in Lidl.
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Geoff Lane
2014-01-11 19:52:54 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.

Geoff
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I got fed up with prices ages ago and now do most of my shopping in Lidl.
Ophelia
2014-01-11 20:07:37 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they don't
have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they make time:)
The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
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Geoff Lane
2014-01-12 13:21:39 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.

Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.

Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.

Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.

Geoff
Ophelia
2014-01-12 14:01:39 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ... do you
think that might have something to do with it?
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Malcolm Loades
2014-01-12 14:30:19 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ... do
you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.

Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before, I
can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of Tesco
'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range included an
absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard with real
vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc. And now
it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas, Crownfield (?)
cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.

For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in Lidl
than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.

Malcolm
Ophelia
2014-01-12 14:59:47 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ... do
you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at low
cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before, I
can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of Tesco
'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range included an
absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard with real vanilla
(lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc. And now it's all gone
:-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas, Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned
custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in Lidl
than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
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John Silver
2014-01-12 17:42:30 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
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Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time its
not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had bem
temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
John
Ophelia
2014-01-12 17:46:44 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
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Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time its
not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him but
not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent (Formil)
for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not that one. I
E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had bem temporarilly
discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
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John Silver
2014-01-12 20:16:53 UTC
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Post by John Silver
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Post by Malcolm Loades
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Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-12 20:24:01 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
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John Silver
2014-01-12 22:33:03 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press
from animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.

John
Ophelia
2014-01-12 22:51:34 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press
from animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
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RustyHinge
2014-01-12 23:39:50 UTC
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The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
Yes: goods were largely stacked on pallets, making the stores look right
old cheapo joints.

This may have been a business plan, or just dipping a toe into the water
to see if it was worth spending a fortune kitting the places out.

There was some talk about Lidl closing the Attleborough shop, but
fortunately, it's still there many years later.
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2014-01-13 00:24:48 UTC
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The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
Yes: goods were largely stacked on pallets, making the stores look right
old cheapo joints.
This may have been a business plan, or just dipping a toe into the water
to see if it was worth spending a fortune kitting the places out.
There was some talk about Lidl closing the Attleborough shop, but
fortunately, it's still there many years later.
Aldi were rather similar but we have never lived in an Aldi area.
I set out early one Sunday morning to buy a cheap Birding Scope and
found the shelves already bare. I asked a staff member and he went
through the back and found me the last one.
We were in one before Christmas and a lot of seasonal stock was not
priced up. A flustered staff member could only guestimate prices.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-13 00:29:17 UTC
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The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
Yes: goods were largely stacked on pallets, making the stores look right
old cheapo joints.
This may have been a business plan, or just dipping a toe into the water
to see if it was worth spending a fortune kitting the places out.
There was some talk about Lidl closing the Attleborough shop, but
fortunately, it's still there many years later.
Many, many, many <g> years ago I remember a store (not lidl) opening just
like that in Lincoln. It was very cheap and was always very popular:))
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2014-01-13 00:18:29 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so
hard
they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of
the
staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German
foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the
equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all
that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press
from animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
They tended to start up in poorer or student areas.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-13 00:29:38 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl
recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so
hard
they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know
you,
they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of
the
staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really
consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local
greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Pity that:( Ours is really good, I am used to German
foodstuffs ...
do you think that might have something to do with it?
I've always shopped at Lidl for some basics which are good quality at
low cost eg fruit and veg, cooking oils, dishwasher consumables etc.
Then just before Christmas they had lots of stuff I'd not seen before,
I can't remember their name for the range but it's the
equivalent of
Tesco 'Finest' or Sainbury's 'Taste the Difference'. This range
included an absolutely superb fresh pizza, fresh ready made custard
with real vanilla (lots of seeds) in it, a terrific Granola etc. etc.
And now it's all gone :-( Back to the frozen Alfredo pizzas,
Crownfield (?) cereals, tinned custard etc. all of which I dislike.
For about 6 weeks I did a far greater percentage of my shopping in
Lidl than ever before but now it's back to what it was. A real shame.
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all
that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press
from animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
They tended to start up in poorer or student areas.
Good plan!
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
John Silver
2014-01-13 10:10:54 UTC
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Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time
its not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had
bem temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
I shop first at Lidl and then what I can't get there I will get at other
supermarkets. It is always my first port of call though:)
When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all
that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press
from animal lovers. The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
I wonder if all the shops have the same things all the time.
The shops have improved in layout over time. At first they looked like
Olds Soviet Supermarkets.
I've not been using them too long, so I guess I missed all that.
They tended to start up in poorer or student areas.
Good plan!
I've not been in Edinburgh for about seven years but at that time they
seemed to have taken over practically all of the inside part of the
Kirkgate Shopping Centre in Leith as a storage space for their store.
I like the write ups.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/new-kirkgate-shopping-centre-edinburgh

http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lidl-edinburgh-3
John
Ophelia
2014-01-13 11:28:17 UTC
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I've not been in Edinburgh for about seven years but at that time they
seemed to have taken over practically all of the inside part of the
Kirkgate Shopping Centre in Leith as a storage space for their store.
I like the write ups.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/new-kirkgate-shopping-centre-edinburgh
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lidl-edinburgh-3
Time for a visit? If you do, report back? You might like it much better.
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John Silver
2014-01-13 13:04:20 UTC
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I've not been in Edinburgh for about seven years but at that time they
seemed to have taken over practically all of the inside part of the
Kirkgate Shopping Centre in Leith as a storage space for their store.
I like the write ups.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/new-kirkgate-shopping-centre-edinburgh
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lidl-edinburgh-3
Time for a visit? If you do, report back? You might like it much better.
Perhaps when the trams run beyond the city centre:-)
My Great Aunt and later my Aunt had a shop Dows Emporium (long gone) at
70 Nicholson Street just past where Lidl now trades.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-13 13:05:37 UTC
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I've not been in Edinburgh for about seven years but at that time they
seemed to have taken over practically all of the inside part of the
Kirkgate Shopping Centre in Leith as a storage space for their store.
I like the write ups.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/new-kirkgate-shopping-centre-edinburgh
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lidl-edinburgh-3
Time for a visit? If you do, report back? You might like it much better.
Perhaps when the trams run beyond the city centre:-)
Not any time soon then ...
Post by John Silver
My Great Aunt and later my Aunt had a shop Dows Emporium (long gone) at 70
Nicholson Street just past where Lidl now trades.
Do you have any photos?
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John Silver
2014-01-14 00:17:50 UTC
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I've not been in Edinburgh for about seven years but at that time they
seemed to have taken over practically all of the inside part of the
Kirkgate Shopping Centre in Leith as a storage space for their store.
I like the write ups.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/new-kirkgate-shopping-centre-edinburgh
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lidl-edinburgh-3
Time for a visit? If you do, report back? You might like it much better.
Perhaps when the trams run beyond the city centre:-)
Not any time soon then ...
Post by John Silver
My Great Aunt and later my Aunt had a shop Dows Emporium (long gone)
at 70 Nicholson Street just past where Lidl now trades.
Do you have any photos?
There is one somewhere of Mr Dow who started the business outside with
my great aunt and staff. It was in the Evening News a few times.
Originally it sold smoked fish, salt herring and dried cod. That
continued but was expanded to groceries.
Around the late 60's she moved to Roseburn Terrace and I think mainly
gave up on the fish.
John
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2014-01-13 09:20:31 UTC
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Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
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When you say last year, did you mean at Christmas? We had all that in
ours at Christmas. They often have food from other countries as specials
from time to time too. I got some nice Polish stuff a few months ago.
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers.
I wonder if they fuss about farmed venison.
Jane
Post by John Silver
The Reindeer was from Siberia!
We have probably not been there since early December.
John
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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-13 16:44:43 UTC
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No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers.
I wonder if they fuss about farmed venison.
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
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John Silver
2014-01-14 00:21:32 UTC
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No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers.
I wonder if they fuss about farmed venison.
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
John
Mike.. . . .
2014-01-14 09:16:11 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
Its not under threat yet in Norway IIRC 5m! But numbers are falling.
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-15 08:26:34 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
Its not under threat yet in Norway IIRC 5m! But numbers are falling.
Radio 4 said this morning that lions are facing extinction in a part of
Africa (can't remember which part) - only 500 left. The drop in numbers is
being put down to loss of habitat to farming.

This type of loss is going to continue. Humans are going to continue to
convert land from the form which supports the system of nature which
supports us and it's not clear what the conclusion is going to be apart
from total human control. The only exception I can see is natural
catastrophies such as storms big enough to negate our exercises.

JAne
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Radio 4 said this morning that lions are facing extinction in a part of
Africa (can't remember which part) - only 500 left. The drop in numbers is
being put down to loss of habitat to farming.
This type of loss is going to continue. Humans are going to continue to
convert land from the form which supports the system of nature which
supports us and it's not clear what the conclusion is going to be apart
from total human control.
farming and poaching are indeed the threats, we *have* to have
reserves or lose the animals, (we also have to stop chinese
traditional medicine). The same applies here and everywhere to all
kinds of species.
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-16 10:22:06 UTC
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Post by Jane Gillett
Radio 4 said this morning that lions are facing extinction in a part of
Africa (can't remember which part) - only 500 left. The drop in numbers is
being put down to loss of habitat to farming.
This type of loss is going to continue. Humans are going to continue to
convert land from the form which supports the system of nature which
supports us and it's not clear what the conclusion is going to be apart
from total human control.
farming and poaching are indeed the threats, we *have* to have
reserves or lose the animals, (we also have to stop chinese
traditional medicine). The same applies here and everywhere to all
kinds of species.
We have to but we won't. The only thing which will stop us is natural
catastrophies - major destruction of habitat (ours), disease - I reckon.

Face it, we're <NOT> going to stop increasing our numbers voluntarily.
We're still saying "how lovely" when family produce another child and the
more inhabitants a country/society/community has, the more disposable
personel it has and the more potential for low-paid class, or, as otherwise
named, "cheap labour". Ask most people why the eastern countries produce
goods more cheaply than we do and their answer will be "Because they have
cheap labour" and IMV that is what the present govt is aiming at as the
mechanism for a sound economy.

Jane
Jane
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farming and poaching are indeed the threats, we *have* to have
reserves or lose the animals, (we also have to stop chinese
traditional medicine). The same applies here and everywhere to all
kinds of species.
We have to but we won't. The only thing which will stop us is natural
catastrophies - major destruction of habitat (ours), disease - I reckon.
or climate change
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Janet
2014-01-16 15:07:43 UTC
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Face it, we're <NOT> going to stop increasing our numbers voluntarily.
You're misinformed; birth rates are falling in many developed
countries.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2012/10/16/warning-bell-for-
developed-countries-declining-birth-rates/

" The replacement rate?the reproduction rate that keeps a population
stable?for developed countries is 2.1, yet nearly half the world?s
population has birth rates lower than that.

The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9

Janet
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Post by Jane Gillett
Face it, we're <NOT> going to stop increasing our numbers voluntarily.
You're misinformed; birth rates are falling in many developed
countries.
but not for the world as a whole.

I seem to remember reading the world population is expected to level
out one day, but at a pretty high number.
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-17 09:21:36 UTC
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Post by Jane Gillett
Face it, we're <NOT> going to stop increasing our numbers voluntarily.
You're misinformed; birth rates are falling in many developed
countries.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2012/10/16/warning-bell-for-
developed-countries-declining-birth-rates/
" The replacement rate?the reproduction rate that keeps a population
stable?for developed countries is 2.1, yet nearly half the world?s
population has birth rates lower than that.
The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9
That's reassuring to know. So it's merely any increasing footprint,
particularly of developing countries, that's going to limit our environment
and hence our future.
Jane
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Post by Janet
The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9
2.36 for world
Post by Jane Gillett
That's reassuring to know.
the developing world has higher rates, particularly Africa is around
4, but its falling in most places. In the 50s for world it was 5 ish,
now its 2 ish

But, remember, we are living a *lot* longer.

"Current UN projections show a continued increase in population in the
near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with
the global population expected to reach between 8.3 and 10.9 billion
by 2050.[11][12] UN Population Division estimates for the year 2150
range between 3.2 and 24.8 billion;[13] mathematical modeling supports
the lower estimate.[14]

One prediction is that population will soon stablise (I assume when
all developing world adopts "first" world lifestyles) , while another
predicts it will continue to rise at its current rate.

It took 300 years for the poulation to double from 1500, 100 years to
double again by the 1920s, 50 years to double by the 1970s and we
think it may have doubled again within a few years, holding the rate
at doubling every 50 years. Will this stop? We hope so.
Post by Jane Gillett
So it's merely any increasing footprint,
particularly of developing countries, that's going to limit our environment
and hence our future.
*if* it stabilises and wealth keeps increasing in the developing
world, first you see people wanting the western diet, which means more
space for cattle. Then they want cars and freezers and air-con.

Then look at Europe, 100 years ago we tool a train once a year to the
coast, then we drove alll over the place in UK and took several
holidays, one by air to the Med. Now some people fly on a regular
basis, including long haul beach holidays and working in other
countries. The carbon from a couple doing Xmas shopping in NY is
about the same as running a small car all year.

China is building 50 new airports

A large number of wild habitats are protected, but in many places
enforecement is poor and in others , like the SE of England, we have a
network of small reserves, but from time to time, a govt which does
not care about wildlife or under pressure for, say, a new airport or
more housing will destroy some more wild land and you never get it
back. Many Metrosexual LOndon commentators now question the Green
Belt, how long before it falls to housing and airports for the
trendies with their pet bicycle mock green lifestyles?

New pressure is coming onto wilderness areas like the pole to exploit
oil reserves (including shale) , do the Russians give a **** for
wildlife? Do the Chinese?

</rant>
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Mike... . . . .
Jane Gillett
2014-01-18 07:48:59 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Janet
The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9
2.36 for world
Post by Jane Gillett
That's reassuring to know.
the developing world has higher rates, particularly Africa is around
4, but its falling in most places. In the 50s for world it was 5 ish,
now its 2 ish
But, remember, we are living a *lot* longer.
"Current UN projections show a continued increase in population in the
near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate),
.......
<snip>
Post by Mike.. . . .
One prediction is that population will soon stablise (I assume when
all developing world adopts "first" world lifestyles)
........
Post by Mike.. . . .
It took 300 years for the poulation to double from 1500, 100 years to
double again by the 1920s, 50 years to double by the 1970s and we
think it may have doubled again within a few years, holding the rate
at doubling every 50 years. Will this stop? We hope so.
Post by Jane Gillett
So it's merely any increasing footprint,
particularly of developing countries, that's going to limit our >environment
and hence our future.
*if* it stabilises and wealth keeps increasing in the developing
world,
............
<snip>
Post by Mike.. . . .
Then look at Europe, 100 years ago we tool a train once a year to the
coast,
.........
Post by Mike.. . . .
The carbon from a couple doing Xmas shopping in NY is
about the same as running a small car all year.
China is building 50 new airports
A large number of wild habitats are protected, but in many places
enforecement is poor and in others , like the SE of England, we have a
network of small reserves, but from time to time, a govt which does
not care about wildlife or under pressure for, say, a new airport or
more housing will destroy some more wild land and you never get it
back. Many Metrosexual LOndon commentators now question the Green
Belt, how long before it falls to housing and airports for the
trendies with their pet bicycle mock green lifestyles?
New pressure is coming onto wilderness areas like the pole to exploit
oil reserves (including shale) , do the Russians give a **** for
wildlife? Do the Chinese?
</rant>
Please keep ranting.
Jane
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Janet
2014-01-20 23:21:22 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Janet
The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9
2.36 for world
Post by Jane Gillett
That's reassuring to know.
the developing world has higher rates, particularly Africa is around
4, but its falling in most places. In the 50s for world it was 5 ish,
now its 2 ish
But, remember, we are living a *lot* longer.
The incidence of obesity will almost certainly reverse that within the
next decade or two.

Janet
John Silver
2014-01-30 19:59:36 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Janet
The U.S. has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.0
Western European countries have low fertility rates, below the
replacement rate of 2.1.
Germany: 1.4
Holland: 1.8
Belgium: 1.8
Spain: 1.4
Italy: 1.4
Sweden 1.9.
UK 1.9
2.36 for world
Post by Jane Gillett
That's reassuring to know.
the developing world has higher rates, particularly Africa is around
4, but its falling in most places. In the 50s for world it was 5 ish,
now its 2 ish
But, remember, we are living a *lot* longer.
The incidence of obesity will almost certainly reverse that within the
next decade or two.
Janet
Or the return of the Plague?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25916296
John

Jane Gillett
2014-01-14 09:47:00 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by John Silver
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers.
I wonder if they fuss about farmed venison.
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
As in endangered species?

JAne
Post by John Silver
John
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RustyHinge
2014-01-15 12:14:35 UTC
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Post by John Silver
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
Out of Africa Trading Post which can be found near Fye Bridge, Norwich.
Off the top of me 'ed, carries: crocodile; sometimes python; kudu;
zebra; ostrich; several others unremembered - biltong,and all sorts of
Sith Effrican bottled and canned stuff.

Chilli Bovril is good, but (IMO) cheese and Marmite spread is UAB*

* Ugh! Arrrghhh! Bleuargh!

Monkeygland sauce is rather good, but disappointing in that it's been
nowhere near a monkey.

They do mail order, and ifI had more bandwidth here I'd post the URL.
'Fraid you'll have to wait a bit otherwise.
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
John Silver
2014-01-15 23:38:30 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
We had reindeer meat when on holiday in Norway where it seems to be
commonly sold but then so was whale meat and seal skins.
Out of Africa Trading Post which can be found near Fye Bridge, Norwich.
Off the top of me 'ed, carries: crocodile; sometimes python; kudu;
zebra; ostrich; several others unremembered - biltong,and all sorts of
Sith Effrican bottled and canned stuff.
Chilli Bovril is good, but (IMO) cheese and Marmite spread is UAB*
* Ugh! Arrrghhh! Bleuargh!
Monkeygland sauce is rather good, but disappointing in that it's been
nowhere near a monkey.
They do mail order, and ifI had more bandwidth here I'd post the URL.
'Fraid you'll have to wait a bit otherwise.
Many years ago I orderred a monkey gland steak. It looked as if it had
been sicked over. I asked them to take it away and clean it up:-)
We usually buy any exotic meats on sale. We had Kampala once in Africa.
Almost a bit of ostrich road kill yesterday in Kent.
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Ostrich-run-Tunbridge-Wells/story-20435465-detail/story.html#axzz2qVsxKYnm
There is a field of them near Rye Harbour in Sussex but they seem to
stay within their boundaries.
John
Jane Gillett
2014-01-16 10:27:42 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Monkeygland sauce is rather good, but disappointing in that it's been
nowhere near a monkey.
Used to hear about "monkeygland" as a derogatory term as a kid; wondered
what it was.
Post by RustyHinge
They do mail order, and ifI had more bandwidth here I'd post the URL.
'Fraid you'll have to wait a bit otherwise.
You've got the same bandwidth problem as us by the sound of it. Are you
going to get any improvement under the govt's "fast internet for everyone"?
IAGTU we come into the category of "Wait until we've dealt with everyone
else first and then we'll consider letting you have what's left.".

Sympathy - I guess there's a downside of living in the country - at least
the non-fashionable country - apart from lack of buses.
Jane
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-14 09:43:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by John Silver
No this was March of last year. It got some publicity in the press from
animal lovers.
I wonder if they fuss about farmed venison.
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
That brings it into the area of concern for any species which is threatened
with extinction. I didn't realise that that was what they were on about -
though it it was just "fluffy reindeer" (alias "fluffy bunnies") ie you can
eat something that has been <farmed> because that is what it is for but it
is not on to eat something which is "wildlife". Where do reindeer <herds>
stand on this scale?

Cheers
jane
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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-15 09:31:32 UTC
Permalink
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Mike.. . . .
some reindeer/caribou populations are heading towards extinction due
to climate change. The northern European ones are still OK AFAIK but
its quite likely in the future hunting might stop apart from Innuits
etc. There was/is an application for endangered species status for the
western population. This may be what people were concerned about?
That brings it into the area of concern for any species which is threatened
with extinction. I didn't realise that that was what they were on about -
though it it was just "fluffy reindeer" (alias "fluffy bunnies")
no idea, didnt see the concerns
Post by Jane Gillett
ie you can
eat something that has been <farmed> because that is what it is for but it
is not on to eat something which is "wildlife". Where do reindeer <herds>
stand on this scale?
given our huge numbers and the general vulnerability of wildlife, all
hunting/harvesting of wild animals needs caution nowadays. It appears
Norway doesnt get it over whales, so probably doesnt get it over
reindeeer.
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RustyHinge
2014-01-12 18:22:07 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time its
not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had bem
temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
There's nothing like a varied diet.
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John Silver
2014-01-12 20:18:15 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Ophelia
Oh they put specials on all the time. That wasn't a 'one off'.
That's what I don't like about Lidl. You buy something and next time its
not there. For a long time they had frozen Trout, Bream and Bass.
Suddenly it was gone. The manager said that it had sold well with him
but not in other branches.
We bought Reindeer,Kangaroo and NZ Venison last year.
All very good but a one off offer. They had a good wool detergent
(Formil) for a long time. They still have other Formil lines but not
that one. I E-Mailed and they actuallyphoned back to say that it had bem
temporarilly discontinued. That was about three years ago:-)
Their low fat Scotch mince is very good but how long will they have that?
There's nothing like a varied diet.
That goes back to the foragers in olden times:-)
John
RustyHinge
2014-01-12 14:58:58 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
John Silver
2014-01-12 17:45:54 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
John
Ophelia
2014-01-12 17:51:59 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
I suppose it is down to management in each store.
--
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RustyHinge
2014-01-12 18:23:53 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
Staff? They haven't found out how to clone them, perhaps?
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
John Silver
2014-01-12 20:26:24 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
Staff? They haven't found out how to clone them, perhaps?
They evidently know how to control them.

http://franklludwig.com/lidl.html

https://misebogland.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/extracts-from-a-diary-of-a-lidl-supermarket-worker/comment-page-1/

John
Ophelia
2014-01-12 22:42:46 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
Staff? They haven't found out how to clone them, perhaps?
They evidently know how to control them.
http://franklludwig.com/lidl.html
https://misebogland.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/extracts-from-a-diary-of-a-lidl-supermarket-worker/comment-page-1/
This sounds dreadful:( There are always plenty of staff in ours and most
are friendly and cheerful. When a small queue builds up someone is soon
opening up another checkout.
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
John Silver
2014-01-13 00:26:57 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
Staff? They haven't found out how to clone them, perhaps?
They evidently know how to control them.
http://franklludwig.com/lidl.html
https://misebogland.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/extracts-from-a-diary-of-a-lidl-supermarket-worker/comment-page-1/
This sounds dreadful:( There are always plenty of staff in ours and
most are friendly and cheerful. When a small queue builds up someone
is soon opening up another checkout.
Quite a lot of similar stories if you search them out.
Our local one has mainly East European staff.
John
Ophelia
2014-01-13 00:31:52 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Ophelia
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
Post by Ophelia
Post by Geoff Lane
Must admit I did NOT enjoy the experience shopping at Lidl recently.
Don't much enjoy any food shopping but less so Lidl.
Oh? That's a shame! Why? Was it the staff? They work so hard they
don't have a lot of time to chat, but once they get to know you, they
make time:) The food? Try it before you knock it:) Please explain?
Didn't like the atmosphere, the environment or the attitude of the staff.
Hardly recognised any brands, those that I did I did not really consider
cheaper than Sainsburys.
Refused to take a manufacturers voucher - not a discount voucher but a
monetary value voucher as reimbursement for something.
Mind you, I get meat from a local farm and veg from my local greengrocer
so not too much from supermarkets.
Come to Sunny Norfolk and shop in the Mile Cross or Attleborough
branches of Lidl and I expect you would go away with a better opinion.
Why should they differ so much from area to area?
Staff? They haven't found out how to clone them, perhaps?
They evidently know how to control them.
http://franklludwig.com/lidl.html
https://misebogland.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/extracts-from-a-diary-of-a-lidl-supermarket-worker/comment-page-1/
This sounds dreadful:( There are always plenty of staff in ours and
most are friendly and cheerful. When a small queue builds up someone
is soon opening up another checkout.
Quite a lot of similar stories if you search them out.
Our local one has mainly East European staff.
In ours the staff is all local.
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
Paul Corfield
2014-01-11 21:38:49 UTC
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Post by Paul Corfield
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
Loose mushrooms were up 17p a kilo.
6 pints of milk up 10p
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I'd love to know the basis on
which Sainsbury thinks increases of this scale are in any way
justified. And people wonder why discount supermarkets are doing well.
I wrote to them about a year ago on big price increases at that time.
Their reply naturally was waffle and soon the others caugt up with them.
Unfortunately they are within a short walking distance with the the
others a good distance away by bus.
I have to take a bus regardless of which supermarket I use. It's
merely a question of which bus and how far.

I wouldn't bother writing to Sainsburys. The simple answer is to buy
less or not at all in their stores and go elsewhere. I bought bits and
bobs in Aldi for Christmas and was pleasantly surprised at the prices
and quality. Some of their German stuff like cooked meats / Bratwurst
is good value and tasty. You just have to "tune in" to their product
range and the different way they run their stores.
--
Paul C
RustyHinge
2014-01-11 20:33:45 UTC
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Post by Paul Corfield
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
Loose mushrooms were up 17p a kilo.
6 pints of milk up 10p
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I'd love to know the basis on
which Sainsbury thinks increases of this scale are in any way
justified. And people wonder why discount supermarkets are doing well.
The only three things I buy from supermarkets are: unhomogenised full
cream Channel Islands milk; French mustard; thin bleach.

(Only because I can't get them anywhere else.)
--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
Paul Corfield
2014-01-11 21:47:44 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:33:45 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
The only three things I buy from supermarkets are: unhomogenised full
cream Channel Islands milk; French mustard; thin bleach.
(Only because I can't get them anywhere else.)
Based on earlier post I'm guessing you live in the countryside with
farms reasonably close by. You therefore have the option to get hold
of stuff directly, from farm shops or local markets where you won't be
charged for transport costs, packaging and ludicrous profit margins.
To be honest that's not much of an option for those of us in London
without private transport to get to the farming bits of Essex or
Herts.

I take your point about people learning to make things at home rather
than pay supermarket prices. The only downside is, of course, the
ludicrous prices for the raw materials like flour, butter, dried fruit
etc. Still being able to make your baked goods and bread and being
reasonably skilled in the kitchen does give you much more choice. I
need to blow the dust off some cookery books to broaden my skillset
with some more basic ingredients.
--
Paul C
RustyHinge
2014-01-11 22:52:32 UTC
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Post by Paul Corfield
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:33:45 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
The only three things I buy from supermarkets are: unhomogenised full
cream Channel Islands milk; French mustard; thin bleach.
(Only because I can't get them anywhere else.)
Based on earlier post I'm guessing you live in the countryside with
farms reasonably close by.
Yes, I can cross the road and be in farmland, but where I get the spuds
is a good mile and a half, as is the source of carrots.
Post by Paul Corfield
You therefore have the option to get hold
of stuff directly, from farm shops
No
Post by Paul Corfield
or local markets where you won't be
charged for transport costs,
Local? Six miles? Most of the fresh products are from the Fens, or abroad.
Post by Paul Corfield
packaging and ludicrous profit margins.
To be honest that's not much of an option for those of us in London
without private transport to get to the farming bits of Essex or
Herts.
Suggest Spitalfields, Covent Garden, Billingsgate (or successors)
Post by Paul Corfield
I take your point about people learning to make things at home rather
than pay supermarket prices. The only downside is, of course, the
ludicrous prices for the raw materials like flour, butter, dried fruit
etc.
I tend to buy a half hundredweight of flour - comes in at about twice
the price of a 3 kilo bag. I'm still using a bag of barley flour I got
around three years ago, and a free 50 kilo bag of very superior American
rice...

While it doesn't help their sales much, you'll probably find that bakers
etc will sell you flour by the sack. Butchers will sell you (say) half a
lamb at a very good rate, etc.

To go to a stupourmarket I have to get a bus: 13 miles to Norwich, 6
miles to Wymondham (1 bus a _week_), and two buses (not both at once) to
Diss
Post by Paul Corfield
Still being able to make your baked goods and bread and being
reasonably skilled in the kitchen does give you much more choice. I
need to blow the dust off some cookery books to broaden my skillset
with some more basic ingredients.
Charity shops.

Look for (especially) Elizabeth Craig. Even my mother (an excellent
cook) had Elizabeth Craig to hand.
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2014-01-12 00:16:03 UTC
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I tend to buy a half hundredweight of flour - comes in at about twice
the price of a 3 kilo bag. I'm still using a bag of barley flour I got
around three years ago, and a free 50 kilo bag of very superior American
rice...
No problremds with weavils?
Post by RustyHinge
While it doesn't help their sales much, you'll probably find that bakers
etc will sell you flour by the sack. Butchers will sell you (say) half a
lamb at a very good rate, etc.
We now have a very small kitchen with a small fridge/freezer.
When we had a big freezer we used to order our meat directly from a
farmer who had a stall at a farmers market.
Post by RustyHinge
To go to a stupourmarket I have to get a bus: 13 miles to Norwich, 6
miles to Wymondham (1 bus a _week_), and two buses (not both at once) to
Diss
Post by Paul Corfield
Still being able to make your baked goods and bread and being
reasonably skilled in the kitchen does give you much more choice. I
need to blow the dust off some cookery books to broaden my skillset
with some more basic ingredients.
Charity shops.
Lots of unwanted Christmas pressies on sale just now:-)
John
Jane Gillett
2014-01-12 11:35:36 UTC
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Post by Paul Corfield
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:33:45 +0000, RustyHinge
To go to a stupourmarket I have to get a bus: 13 miles to Norwich, 6
miles to Wymondham (1 bus a _week_), and two buses (not both at once) to
Diss
Slight smile, One a week eh? Reminds me of when they reduced us to 1 bus a
day from the local village (a mile) but found that with the bus back a
couple of days later they didn't get much trade so stopped it altogether.
We do have "village transport" private cars by arrangement, but that got
limited when it was found that drivers had to have a CRB check although
they didn't actually carry children unaccompanied. Drivers who already had
CRB checks for other purposes objected to having to travel to
not-very-nearby towns to have extra checks of the same sort (each
application needs a separate check apparently, you can't use one for two
different applications) and people not unreasonably IMV said sod it.
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Paul Corfield
Still being able to make your baked goods and bread and being
reasonably skilled in the kitchen does give you much more choice. I
need to blow the dust off some cookery books to broaden my skillset
with some more basic ingredients.
Charity shops.
Look for (especially) Elizabeth Craig. Even my mother (an excellent
cook) had Elizabeth Craig to hand.
Yep. Radiation or OXO also tends to be my bible.

Cheers
jane

PS Current visitor - husband's cousin - comes from near Diss; small world.
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-12 11:27:40 UTC
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Post by Paul Corfield
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:33:45 +0000, RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
The only three things I buy from supermarkets are: unhomogenised full
cream Channel Islands milk; French mustard; thin bleach.
(Only because I can't get them anywhere else.)
Based on earlier post I'm guessing you live in the countryside with
farms reasonably close by. You therefore have the option to get hold
of stuff directly, from farm shops or local markets where you won't be
charged for transport costs, packaging and ludicrous profit margins.
It doesn't generally work that way. Not around here anyway. There are some
farm markets and some shops but supermarkets still take the maximum trade
for most people I'd have thought. And supermarkets will have the same
standard goods as in any other parts apart from a few speciality things
occasionally.

I use smkts but they's class me as a T&T customer - Tins and Toilet paper.
Meat - farm shop, local butcher or local food market - a good one mthly in
Totnes; Totnes is a bit different from othe places it seems - good
independent hight st shops.
Veg - ditto, well greengrocer
Milk - farm shop, a dozen or so at a time and freeze
Other groceries, flour, sugar etc - as convenient to other travelling or
Sainsbury's - He likes it. A few things from local indep deli.
Cakes etc - make. He makes all our bread, chooses different flours to try.
Jam/marmalade/chutney - make - jam/marm him, chutney usually me, although
we generally get given enough chutney for CHristmas!
Post by Paul Corfield
To be honest that's not much of an option for those of us in London
without private transport to get to the farming bits of Essex or
Herts.
What do you know you could get from farms in Essex/Herts and where from?

<snip>

Cheers
Jane
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RustyHinge
2014-01-13 08:28:01 UTC
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What do you know you could get from farms in Essex/Herts and where from?
There used to be- may still be - a big potato firm (firm, not farm)
outside Romford on the A11/A127 that sold oodles more spuds than they
could possibly have grown.

Likewise other outlets yclept 'farmers' markets which regularly sold
local produce like French caulis, Spanish tomatoes etc...
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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-13 08:50:01 UTC
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Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Paul Corfield
To be honest that's not much of an option for those of us in London
without private transport to get to the farming bits of Essex or
Herts.
What do you know you could get from farms in Essex/Herts and where from?
I get stuff from farms without leaving the house, via the Internet.
London is also a place with a fair number of specialty retail shops
and markets and loads of ethnic shops. No need to use supmarkets if
you don't want to.
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John Silver
2014-01-13 10:16:12 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
Post by Paul Corfield
To be honest that's not much of an option for those of us in London
without private transport to get to the farming bits of Essex or
Herts.
What do you know you could get from farms in Essex/Herts and where from?
I get stuff from farms without leaving the house, via the Internet.
London is also a place with a fair number of specialty retail shops
and markets and loads of ethnic shops. No need to use supmarkets if
you don't want to.
How do they deliver andwhat do they charge?
John
Mike.. . . .
2014-01-13 11:14:13 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
I get stuff from farms without leaving the house, via the Internet.
London is also a place with a fair number of specialty retail shops
and markets and loads of ethnic shops. No need to use supmarkets if
you don't want to.
How do they deliver andwhat do they charge?
usual white van man, delivery charge varies, some "free" if you buy a
lot.
(Laithwaites wine do an annual one off charge as an option, which
works out well)
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Geoff Lane
2014-01-11 19:49:06 UTC
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We're all in it together.

I think not.

Geoff
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
John
RustyHinge
2014-01-11 20:36:02 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
I'd read your replies if you didn't top-post.
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Jane Gillett
2014-01-12 11:38:44 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
I'd read your replies if you didn't top-post.
But while Office SW producers still position the cursor at the top on
replies the current situation will continue.

I guess there's some point for businesses who may save hassle by knowing
that the latest response is going to be at the top - especially with
spreadsheets which grow.
Jane
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RustyHinge
2014-01-13 08:31:40 UTC
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Post by Jane Gillett
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
I'd read your replies if you didn't top-post.
But while Office SW producers still position the cursor at the top on
replies the current situation will continue.
I guess there's some point for businesses who may save hassle by knowing
that the latest response is going to be at the top - especially with
spreadsheets which grow.--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail/Usenet?

I _is_ possible to move the cursor, and it ain't very heavy.


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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-13 08:51:17 UTC
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Post by Jane Gillett
But while Office SW producers still position the cursor at the top on
replies the current situation will continue.
I guess there's some point for businesses who may save hassle by knowing
that the latest response is going to be at the to
business users always post at the top of emails. Usenet has a
different convention.
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RustyHinge
2014-01-13 17:50:37 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett
Post by Jane Gillett
But while Office SW producers still position the cursor at the top on
replies the current situation will continue.
I guess there's some point for businesses who may save hassle by knowing
that the latest response is going to be at the to
business users always post at the top of emails. Usenet has a
different convention.
'Business users' might or might not - there's no 'always' about it. I've
been sending and receiving business e-mails for around sixteen or
seventeen years,and often, I cut and paste top-posted replies to render
them readable.

E-mails which arrive in HTML are returned with > replaced by ), and the
request that the e-mail is resent in plain text, as per protocol.
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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-14 09:33:07 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Mike.. . . .
business users always post at the top of emails. Usenet has a
different convention.
'Business users' might or might not - there's no 'always' about it. I've
been sending and receiving business e-mails for around sixteen or
seventeen years,and often, I cut and paste top-posted replies to render
them readable.
then you risk annoying customers. Most email users (and most people)
have never seen usenet with its point by point replies and question
before answer. The modern business format is to write a reply at the
top as one body of text, with the previous exchanges below as a trail
if needed. Like driving on the left or right, it doesnt really matter
which you do as long as everybody does the same and business email IME
has now settled on top posting.
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RustyHinge
2014-01-15 12:18:56 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by RustyHinge
Post by RustyHinge
Post by Mike.. . . .
business users always post at the top of emails. Usenet has a
different convention.
'Business users' might or might not - there's no 'always' about it. I've
been sending and receiving business e-mails for around sixteen or
seventeen years,and often, I cut and paste top-posted replies to render
them readable.
then you risk annoying customers.
Tough. The _have_ annoyed me.

And?
Post by Mike.. . . .
Most email users (and most people)
have never seen usenet with its point by point replies and question
before answer. The modern business format is to write a reply at the
top as one body of text, with the previous exchanges below as a trail
if needed. Like driving on the left or right, it doesnt really matter
which you do as long as everybody does the same and business email IME
has now settled on top posting.
I may be fighting a rearguard action, but I'm fighting it.
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Mike.. . . .
2014-01-15 12:28:08 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Mike.. . . .
then you risk annoying customers.
Tough. The _have_ annoyed me.
by using standard practice
Post by RustyHinge
And?
Well, if you annoy customers they often become ex customers.
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RustyHinge
2014-01-15 14:22:54 UTC
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Following a post by RustyHinge
And?
Well, if you annoy customers they often become ex customers.
I can live with that.
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Stephen Wolstenholme
2014-01-12 09:33:17 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?

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2014-01-12 10:07:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
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John Silver
2014-01-12 12:21:13 UTC
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Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
John
Malcolm Loades
2014-01-12 12:42:40 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
Mornington Crescent!

Malcolm
Ophelia
2014-01-12 12:53:47 UTC
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Post by Malcolm Loades
Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
Mornington Crescent!
damn!
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RustyHinge
2014-01-12 15:00:35 UTC
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Post by Malcolm Loades
Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
Mornington Crescent!
Malcolm
Damn! Shot my fox!
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John Silver
2014-01-12 17:52:30 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by Malcolm Loades
Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
Mornington Crescent!
Malcolm
Damn! Shot my fox!
So it was him! One of our local two is limping with an injured back
foot. We are concerend that it may affect his sex life as about this
time last year he mated over thirty times one afternoon.
John
RustyHinge
2014-01-12 18:25:53 UTC
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Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Damn! Shot my fox!
So it was him! One of our local two is limping with an injured back
foot. We are concerend that it may affect his sex life as about this
time last year he mated over thirty times one afternoon.
I would have thought that was enough to wear him out.
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John Silver
2014-01-12 22:38:34 UTC
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Post by RustyHinge
Post by John Silver
Post by RustyHinge
Damn! Shot my fox!
So it was him! One of our local two is limping with an injured back
foot. We are concerend that it may affect his sex life as about this
time last year he mated over thirty times one afternoon.
I would have thought that was enough to wear him out.
He was flagging but she kept on asking for more.
Have you ever watched lions mating? They are quite insatible.
Tortoises are not slow off the mark in that respect either.We watched a
pair where the male kept on going back and knocking on her shell
John
John Silver
2014-01-12 17:47:42 UTC
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Post by Malcolm Loades
Post by John Silver
Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Geoff
All in what together?
the soup?
Covent Garden?
Mornington Crescent!
Malcolm
I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue:-)
John
Jane Gillett
2014-01-12 11:36:18 UTC
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Post by Geoff Lane
We're all in it together.
I think not.
Me too.
Jane
Post by Geoff Lane
Geoff
Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
John
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John Silver
2014-01-30 18:45:45 UTC
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Post by John Silver
In our local branch today
Bananas up from 68p a kg to 79p
Milk 4 Pint from £1.29 to £1.39
Single oranges from 30p to 35p
Pack of 4 home bakery Scones from 89p to 95p and not long since they
were 69p.
500 gr pack Sprouts £1.00 to £1.30
Pack of four own brand soaps £1.09 to £1.39
Probably many others but those were the items we had gone for plus
potatoes (we bought ones that were reduced) an carrotts at usual price
and basic tomatoes whose previous price I don't remember.
John
Today the scones are a Pound.
Bonne Maman jam is on offer at at £1.64 (bought eight jars) but I'll be
putting it on home made bread:-)
John
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