Elizabeth David on Vegetables

Post by Martin
100th anniversary of her birth

I was expecting to hear that she'd found a way of mainlining on turnips...

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-05 13:47:15 UTC

Following a post by RustyHinge

Post by Martin
100th anniversary of her birth

I was expecting to hear that she'd found a way of mainlining on turnips...

is this a reference to the celebrity chef with boobs having snorted?
Can't say "celebrity does coke" came as a shock, why anybody cares or
continues to hand shedloads of cash to organised crime in failed
attempt to control it escapes me.

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RustyHinge

2013-12-05 15:17:25 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
is this a reference to the celebrity chef with boobs having snorted?
Can't say "celebrity does coke" came as a shock, why anybody cares or
continues to hand shedloads of cash to organised crime in failed
attempt to control it escapes me.

No.

That's Nigella Lawson.

No contest, either.

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-05 15:33:33 UTC

Following a post by RustyHinge

No.
That's Nigella Lawson.

that's probably why the thread is called "Elizabeth David"

Post by RustyHinge
No contest, either.

probably depends on what the contest is. At least Lawson has a
surname.

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Martin

2013-12-05 15:42:39 UTC

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:17:25 +0000, RustyHinge

alcohol too?

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Jane Gillett

2013-12-06 08:52:59 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by RustyHinge

Post by Martin
100th anniversary of her birth

I was expecting to hear that she'd found a way of mainlining on turnips...

Don't understand.

Are you referring to being addicted? It's in the interest of drug dealers
to get their contacts adicted ASAP.
Or is it a ref to govt attempts to control the drugs trade? What would you
recommend instead of what's done now?
Jane

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-06 17:34:42 UTC

Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Jane Gillett
It's in the interest of drug dealers
to get their contacts adicted ASAP.

It is.

Post by Jane Gillett
Or is it a ref to govt attempts to control the drugs trade? What would you
recommend instead of what's done now?

End the prohibition. Its been as disastrous as the US alcohol
prohibition and for exactly the same reasons. Cut out the
dealers/mafias and make sure the supply is clean and consistent
strength. Try to encourage use of the safer versions. Much of the harm
comes from gang wars and "cut" drugs. Not to mention Colombian cartels
stronger than governments. Its almost routine now for retiring chief
constables to say this, one day politicians will feel they can act
when the public is finally ready.

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Kev

2013-12-06 22:38:35 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Jane Gillett
It's in the interest of drug dealers
to get their contacts adicted ASAP.

It is.

Post by Jane Gillett
Or is it a ref to govt attempts to control the drugs trade? What would you
recommend instead of what's done now?

Hear hear!

Jane Gillett

2013-12-07 08:17:33 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Jane Gillett
It's in the interest of drug dealers
to get their contacts adicted ASAP.

It is.

Post by Jane Gillett
Or is it a ref to govt attempts to control the drugs trade? What would you
recommend instead of what's done now?

End the prohibition. Its been as disastrous as the US alcohol
prohibition

OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Post by Mike.. . . .
and for exactly the same reasons. Cut out the
dealers/mafias

SMKTS would probably be interested. And at low prices as currently for
alcohol. Maybe we'll have publicly applauded drug experts cf wine buffs.

and make sure the supply is clean and consistent

Post by Mike.. . . .
strength. Try to encourage use of the safer versions.

Will have to be the same sort of safety requirements as currently apply to
drugs.
Will what is currently prohibited be available on the National Health or
just private?

Post by Mike.. . . .
Much of the harm
comes from gang wars and "cut" drugs.

Yes. Does that only leave guns etc or are there other moneymaking illegals
they can transfer to? Blackmail possibly, or kidnap I guess; people
trafficking - yes, that's the one; or target the current wars of the time
for selling supplies and terrorist training? Does the banking system offer
them any future I wonder? Any other suggestions - I doubt if they are going
to take it lying down.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Not to mention Colombian cartels
stronger than governments.

The thought that smkts - well, multinationals anyway - are already stronger
than govmts just crossed my mind. However, I do expect smkts to have more,
shall we say "civilised" limits of behaviour.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Its almost routine now for retiring chief
constables to say this, one day politicians will feel they can act
when the public is finally ready.

What factors control public opinion? And will the public opinion which
takes effect be as you expect it?

Cheers
jane

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-07 10:13:06 UTC

Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Mike.. . . .
End the prohibition. Its been as disastrous as the US alcohol
prohibition

OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

why do people always say no driving or no children, why would it be
otherwise?

Post by Mike.. . . .
and for exactly the same reasons. Cut out the
dealers/mafias

SMKTS would probably be interested. And at low prices as currently for
alcohol. Maybe we'll have publicly applauded drug experts cf wine buffs.

is alcohol low price compared to production cost? I don't think so.

Post by Jane Gillett
and make sure the supply is clean and consistent

Post by Mike.. . . .
strength. Try to encourage use of the safer versions.

Will have to be the same sort of safety requirements as currently apply to
drugs.
Will what is currently prohibited be available on the National Health or
just private?

I see no case for involving the NHS

Post by Mike.. . . .
Much of the harm
comes from gang wars and "cut" drugs.

of course the crims are still there, taking away their money source
helps.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Not to mention Colombian cartels
stronger than governments.

The thought that smkts - well, multinationals anyway - are already stronger
than govmts just crossed my mind. However, I do expect smkts to have more,
shall we say "civilised" limits of behaviour.

i dont think they are more powerful than govt or interested in illegal
trade.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Its almost routine now for retiring chief
constables to say this, one day politicians will feel they can act
when the public is finally ready.

What factors control public opinion?

The Daily Wail.

Post by Jane Gillett
And will the public opinion which
takes effect be as you expect it?

it will be like hanging, loads in the backwoods will forever want it
back.

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Mike... . . . .

Mike.. . . .

2013-12-07 11:41:03 UTC

Following a post by Mike.. . . .

Post by Mike.. . . .
I see no case for involving the NHS

to clarify, just see illegal drugs as the same as legal drugs, theres
no need to worry about under age, driving, the NHS, supermarkets.
Same rules as alcohol, but i suggest no advertising. Usage will be
more or less the same, probably higher but you will have more control.

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"nothing worth reading was ever written by drinkers of water"
Horace

Jane Gillett

2013-12-08 09:45:25 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Mike.. . . .

Post by Mike.. . . .
I see no case for involving the NHS

More control? How/why?
Jane

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 11:12:26 UTC

Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Mike.. . . .
to clarify, just see illegal drugs as the same as legal drugs, theres
no need to worry about under age, driving, the NHS, supermarkets.
Same rules as alcohol, but i suggest no advertising. Usage will be
more or less the same, probably higher but you will have more control.

More control? How/why?

does govt have some control over legal tobacco/alcohol sales? Does it
take health related actions on them?

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"nothing worth reading was ever written by drinkers of water"
Horace

Jane Gillett

2013-12-08 09:44:06 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Mike.. . . .
End the prohibition. Its been as disastrous as the US alcohol
prohibition

OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

why do people always say no driving or no children, why would it be
otherwise?

Don't understand - again!

Post by Mike.. . . .
and for exactly the same reasons. Cut out the
dealers/mafias

SMKTS would probably be interested. And at low prices as currently for
alcohol. Maybe we'll have publicly applauded drug experts cf wine buffs.

is alcohol low price compared to production cost? I don't think so.

Dunno but smkts seem to be becoming the cheapest source.

Post by Jane Gillett
and make sure the supply is clean and consistent

Post by Mike.. . . .
strength. Try to encourage use of the safer versions.

Will have to be the same sort of safety requirements as currently apply to
drugs.
Will what is currently prohibited be available on the National Health or
just private?

I see no case for involving the NHS

Because it's self-inflicted?

Post by Mike.. . . .
Much of the harm
comes from gang wars and "cut" drugs.

of course the crims are still there, taking away their money source
helps.

As long as there's money they'll target it.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Not to mention Colombian cartels
stronger than governments.

The thought that smkts - well, multinationals anyway - are already stronger
than govmts just crossed my mind. However, I do expect smkts to have more,
shall we say "civilised" limits of behaviour.

i dont think they are more powerful than govt or interested in illegal
trade.

I think their power is comparable with that of govt.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Its almost routine now for retiring chief
constables to say this, one day politicians will feel they can act
when the public is finally ready.

What factors control public opinion?

The Daily Wail.

Why? Is it the quality and power of their writing? Or is it a need to "line
up" with the opinions of neighbours and mates down the pub etc? I must
agree that I get angry and feel like temporarily removing all prison
officers/police and other controls from the scene when I hear of certain
crimes and behaviours but I return to sanity. Mandela was a great loss;
wish I had his insight and control; and, it seems, magnanimity.

Post by Jane Gillett
And will the public opinion which
takes effect be as you expect it?

it will be like hanging, loads in the backwoods will forever want it
back.

You mean there'll always be trace of old opinions remaining? Seems more
than a trace at present.
Jane

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 11:24:41 UTC

Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Mike.. . . .
why do people always say no driving or no children, why would it be
otherwise?

Don't understand - again!

why would anybody think drug/driving OK because we ended prohibition?

Post by Mike.. . . .
and for exactly the same reasons. Cut out the
dealers/mafias

SMKTS would probably be interested. And at low prices as currently for
alcohol. Maybe we'll have publicly applauded drug experts cf wine buffs.

is alcohol low price compared to production cost? I don't think so.

Dunno but smkts seem to be becoming the cheapest source.

Post by Jane Gillett
and make sure the supply is clean and consistent

Post by Mike.. . . .
strength. Try to encourage use of the safer versions.

Will have to be the same sort of safety requirements as currently apply to
drugs.
Will what is currently prohibited be available on the National Health or
just private?

I see no case for involving the NHS

Because it's self-inflicted?

No, because selling alcohol/tobacco/cocaine is nothing to do with the
NHS

Post by Mike.. . . .
Much of the harm
comes from gang wars and "cut" drugs.

of course the crims are still there, taking away their money source
helps.

As long as there's money they'll target it.

do they with alcohol? Do they make billions form illegal alcohol? Do
drug gangs peddle booze in Peckham? Once you end prohibition there
*isnt* much money in it, thats why booze and tobacco smuggling is
small time compared to illegal drugs. The available profit is only the
tax we levy.

Post by Mike.. . . .
Not to mention Colombian cartels
stronger than governments.

The thought that smkts - well, multinationals anyway - are already stronger
than govmts just crossed my mind. However, I do expect smkts to have more,
shall we say "civilised" limits of behaviour.

i dont think they are more powerful than govt or interested in illegal
trade.

I think their power is comparable with that of govt.

then I will ask Tesco to end prohibition unilaterally

Post by Mike.. . . .
Its almost routine now for retiring chief
constables to say this, one day politicians will feel they can act
when the public is finally ready.

What factors control public opinion?

The Daily Wail.

Why? Is it the quality and power of their writing?

no, they publish scaremongering lies that the naive believe

Post by Jane Gillett
Or is it a need to "line
up" with the opinions of neighbours and mates down the pub etc? I must
agree that I get angry and feel like temporarily removing all prison
officers/police and other controls from the scene when I hear of certain
crimes and behaviours but I return to sanity. Mandela was a great loss;
wish I had his insight and control; and, it seems, magnanimity.

sorry, can't follow your line of thinking there.

Post by Jane Gillett
And will the public opinion which
takes effect be as you expect it?

it will be like hanging, loads in the backwoods will forever want it
back.

You mean there'll always be trace of old opinions remaining? Seems more
than a trace at present.
Jane

yep

--
Mike... . . . .
"nothing worth reading was ever written by drinkers of water"
Horace

Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 12:45:53 UTC

Following a post by Mike.. . . .

Post by Jane Gillett
Will have to be the same sort of safety requirements as currently apply to
drugs.

like with tobacco and alcohol? Tobacco and alcohol carry health
warnings, you do the same with cocaine and pot, they are not being
sold as medicines or food or being prescribed. They are *recreational*
drugs like tobacco and alcohol, the NHS is not involved except in
warning us not to use them. Its not about encouraging use, its about
cutting out the crims, the best we can hope to achieve.

--
Mike... . . . .

Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 14:27:57 UTC

to clarify how I see it as you seem to be confusing with
NHS/health/medicine issues:-

current:
organised crime supplies illegal recreational drugs
shops supply legal drugs with health warnings
NHS says "recreational drugs are harmful" and supplies medicines
children not allowed to buy either, driving not allowed

post prohibition:
shops supply all recreational drugs with health warnings
NHS still says "recreational drugs are harmful" and still supplies
medicines
children still not allowed to buy, driving still not allowed

drug use is much the same, but no crims involved. Police free to get
on with catching burglars and muggers. Remember, some of the worlds
trouble spots are funded by illegal drug income as is much organised
crime.

Govt/NHS i still free (as with tobacco) to campaign for people to give
up/cut down for their health's sake. Once govt has a monopoly it would
be easier to encourage people away from the most harmful/addictive
products.

Pure, consistent strength uncut drugs do much less harm than the
current illegal, often adulterated products.

Govt really has no place in telling consenting adults how to behave in
private and it never works. When gay sex was illegal it still
happened.

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 15:28:56 UTC

Following a post by Mike.. . . .

Post by Mike.. . . .
Once govt has a monopoly

sorry, that should be "once legal recreational drug suppliers have
replaced illegal ones".

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-08 12:41:04 UTC

Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Mike.. . . .
is alcohol low price compared to production cost? I don't think so.

Dunno

price of whisky is 75% tax

Post by Jane Gillett
but smkts seem to be becoming the cheapest source.

they may or may not wish to be licenced drug sellers, I dont think its
central to the issues.

--
Mike... . . . .

Tim C.

2013-12-09 15:42:45 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
is alcohol low price compared to production cost? I don't think so.

Whatever the production costs, in Austria at least beer is cheaper than
Coca Cola or Fanta.

--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.

RustyHinge

2013-12-07 12:16:41 UTC

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Martin

2013-12-07 12:24:44 UTC

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:16:41 +0000, RustyHinge

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

WTF has this got to do with Elisabeth David?

--
Martin in Zuid Holland

RustyHinge

2013-12-07 14:29:27 UTC

Post by Martin
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:16:41 +0000, RustyHinge

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

WTF has this got to do with Elisabeth David?

Ask Jane.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Martin

2013-12-07 21:35:46 UTC

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:29:27 +0000, RustyHinge

Post by Martin
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:16:41 +0000, RustyHinge

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

WTF has this got to do with Elisabeth David?

Ask Jane.

She doesn't read posts.

--
Martin in Zuid Holland

Jane Gillett

2013-12-08 09:48:55 UTC

Post by Martin
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:16:41 +0000, RustyHinge

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

WTF has this got to do with Elisabeth David?

Ask Jane.

Answering thread drift which moved the topic to drugs. Move it back if you
want.
Cheers
Jane

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Mike.. . . .

2013-12-07 19:28:19 UTC

Following a post by RustyHinge

Post by Jane Gillett
OK. MAke sure you make it illegal and <enforced> to operate machinery under
the influence eg NO DRIVING.

Drivers stopped for breath-testing are often tested for drugs, and when
found, the driver is prosecuted for 'being under the influence of drink
or drugs.

the mechanisms are pretty much all there. We don't allow smoking in
public places, no need to allow drug taking there either. Just home or
possibly licensed premises. I don't think it would be free from
problems, but we are not free from problems now. Eliminating the huge
drug money incomes and the armed drug gang wars offsets a lot of
problems, not least from police/customs time and expense of locking up
drug couriers.

--
Mike... . . . .
"nothing worth reading was ever written by drinkers of water"
Horace

Tim C.

2013-12-09 15:40:50 UTC

Post by Mike.. . . .
Following a post by Jane Gillett

Post by Jane Gillett
It's in the interest of drug dealers
to get their contacts adicted ASAP.

It is.

Post by Jane Gillett
Or is it a ref to govt attempts to control the drugs trade? What would you
recommend instead of what's done now?

Keith Richards (of the Rolling Stones) claims his longevity despite heavy
use of drugs was because he only used (wherever possible anyway) the
absolutely best and cleanest quality.

--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.

Mike.. . . .

2013-12-09 16:07:52 UTC

Following a post by Tim C.

Post by Tim C.
Keith Richards (of the Rolling Stones) claims his longevity despite heavy
use of drugs was because he only used (wherever possible anyway) the
absolutely best and cleanest quality.

he's not the only rock star to say that. The many who die of overdoses
would probably reduce greatly if strength was standardised.

--
Mike... . . . .

Tim C.

2013-12-05 14:10:35 UTC